# sa-learn -L --spam and spamassassin -L -r learn the same spam differently. SA version 3.13, using db or sql database, doesn't seem to matter, --sync or not --sync, doesn't matter.
Also, it doesn't matter if I run sa-learn --spam or spamassassin -r first. Further, spamassassin -r and sa-learn --spam learn differently, give different results: running spamassassin -Lr against a clean db with my test email gives me 130 tokens. running sa-learn -L --spam against a clean db, same test email gives me 146 tokens. Test: # clean out old sa db: rm -rf /var/db/spamassassin #create new one: mkdir /var/db/spamassassin chown vscan:vscan /var/db/spamassassin #test it: su - vscan -c "sa-learn --sync && sa-learn --dump magic" 0.000 0 3 0 non-token data: bayes db version 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: nspam 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: nham 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: ntokens 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: oldest atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: newest atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last journal sync atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expiry atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire atime delta 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire reduction count # run new email though it (lets not mess with dcc, razor, spamcop for this test) su - vscan -c "spamassassin -rL < /tmp/spam.eml" su - vscan -c "sa-learn --sync && sa-learn --dump magic" 1 message(s) examined. 0.000 0 3 0 non-token data: bayes db version 0.000 0 1 0 non-token data: nspam 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: nham 0.000 0 130 0 non-token data: ntokens 0.000 0 1157160113 0 non-token data: oldest atime 0.000 0 1157160113 0 non-token data: newest atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last journal sync atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expiry atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire atime delta 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire reduction count with sync: (no difference) su vscan -c "sa-learn --sync && sa-learn --dump magic" 0.000 0 3 0 non-token data: bayes db version 0.000 0 1 0 non-token data: nspam 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: nham 0.000 0 130 0 non-token data: ntokens 0.000 0 1157160113 0 non-token data: oldest atime 0.000 0 1157160113 0 non-token data: newest atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last journal sync atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expiry atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire atime delta 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire reduction count Now try sa-learn: su - vscan -c "sa-learn -L --spam < /tmp/spam.eml" su - vscan -c "sa-learn --sync && && sa-learn --dump magic" Learned tokens from 1 message(s) (1 message(s) examined) Yep, it does something different enough. 0.000 0 3 0 non-token data: bayes db version 0.000 0 2 0 non-token data: nspam 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: nham 0.000 0 227 0 non-token data: ntokens 0.000 0 1157160113 0 non-token data: oldest atime 0.000 0 1157464500 0 non-token data: newest atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last journal sync atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expiry atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire atime delta 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire reduction count #control: let's run sa-learn first: rm -rf /var/db/spamassassin sme-500# mkdir -p spamassassin sme-500# chown vscan:vscan spamassassin sme-500# su - vscan -c "sa-learn --sync && sa-learn --dump magic" 0.000 0 3 0 non-token data: bayes db version 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: nspam 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: nham 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: ntokens 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: oldest atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: newest atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last journal sync atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expiry atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire atime delta 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire reduction count su - vscan -c "sa-learn -L --spam < /tmp/spam.eml" su - vscan -c "sa-learn --sync && sa-learn --dump magic" 0.000 0 3 0 non-token data: bayes db version 0.000 0 1 0 non-token data: nspam 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: nham 0.000 0 146 0 non-token data: ntokens 0.000 0 1157464809 0 non-token data: oldest atime 0.000 0 1157464809 0 non-token data: newest atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last journal sync atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expiry atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire atime delta 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire reduction count (remember, if we ran spamassassin -r first, we only got 130 tokens) su - vscan -c "spamassassin -Lr < /tmp/spam.eml" 1 message(s) examined. sme-500# su - vscan -c "sa-learn --sync && sa-learn --dump magic" 0.000 0 3 0 non-token data: bayes db version 0.000 0 2 0 non-token data: nspam 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: nham 0.000 0 227 0 non-token data: ntokens 0.000 0 1157160113 0 non-token data: oldest atime 0.000 0 1157464809 0 non-token data: newest atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last journal sync atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expiry atime 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire atime delta 0.000 0 0 0 non-token data: last expire reduction count same 277, so it doesn't matter if we spamassassin -Lr or sa-learn -L --spam, but we need to do both? -- Michael Scheidell, CTO SECNAP Network Security / www.secnap.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 1+561-999-5000, x 1131 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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