From: Duncan Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> On Wednesday 23 Nov 2005 15:07, Bowie Bailey wrote:
> > It's always good to have multiple layers.  We have ClamAV on the mail
> > server and Symantec Corporate Edition on the desktops.  I haven't had
> > any problems with Clam.  We had a few Sober.U get through before the
> > definitions updated, but that's expected with a new virus on any AV
> > program (unfortunately).
> 
> A minor counter-point.
> 
> $dayjob involves scanning the mail for quite a few people for
> viruses and spam.  We have 4 commercial AV engines, acting as
> defense in depth.  Viruses still make it past.
> 
> I just tested an early copy of Sober-Z/U/whatever-it-is that made it
> past all 4 against an out-of-date (over 2 weeks) copy of NOD32, with
> only heuristics engaged.  It caught it.  Granted, it's the same
> family of virus, but it's still somewhat impressive.
> 
> Heuristics aren't everything, but they do work damn well some times :)

Agreed.  Our desktops with SAV have heuristics enabled.  None of the
Sober viruses made it onto a desktop where they could have been
scanned, so I don't know if SAV would have caught it or not.

My points in the previous email were just:

1) ClamAV works very well here, so if it's missing a whole group of
   viruses for someone, there's probably something else going on.

2) It's normal for any AV program to miss a few at the beginning of an
   outbreak.

Heuristics can help with point 2, but you can't depend on them.

Bowie

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