On Wed, 25 May 2005 19:31:34 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Midphase is NOT the one sending spam.  Yes, they are the registrant
> of the domain, and the server does resolve to a midphase server.
> This is normal for a shared hosting company. 

No, it's *not* normal in the slightest. Why on earth are they the
registrant of the domain? They are making trouble for themselves
(and their customers) if they are making themselves the Registrant
of customer domains. (As you can see in this case). Technical contact,
sure. Billing contact, quite possibly. Nameservers? Sure. Registrant?
No. That's highly unusual and I'm not quite sure why you (or anyone
else) are even accepting someone else being the owner of your domain.

The Registrant is supposed to be the person who "owns" the domain and
should be completely independent of both a) the person/company who
actually performs the registration and b) whoever is providing hosting
services or technical support at a given time.

> I don't see how your point system really matters.  Refusing mail from 
> my domain which is obviously NOT spam means there is something wrong
> with your configuration 

Whilst not making comments about anyone's policies, it's worth
pointing out that not everyone would agree, because not everyone
in every circumstance applies the same rule that "any ham blocked is
bad" or that "any ham blocked means my configuration is wrong". Some
people have conscious policies of blocking mail from misconfigured
hosts, hosts used for spamming or even hosts on ISPs that are spam-
supporters, in the full knowledge that some ham will be/is caught. They
may do this for a variety of reasons, including for example to apply
pressure to customers of spammy ISPs to go elsewhere. That's their
prerogative.  So in fact some people would say that if their
configuration is blocking the IP ranges managed by the Registrant of a
non-forged domain used to spam, their configuration is working
perfectly - regardless of whether it's possible some ham may originate
from there.

Looks to me like any problems here are mostly of your hosting
company's making. I'm afraid if they do something crazy like setting
themselves as the Registrant for thousands of customer domains, then
guilt by association when spamming occurs is almost inevitable.


Tim

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