On 7/17/23 4:49 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Alias expansion does this
is not a mailing list
What definition are you using for a mailing list?
Do you consider Majordomo to be a mailing list?
Because as far as I'm concerned, alias expansion in the MTA is where
mailing lists originated.
in the real world i was subsribed the past 15-20 years to at least 30
mailing-lists
That's all?
I still have email for more than 200 different mailing lists that I've
been subscribed to over the last 20 years.
* not a single one used the senders envelope - period
I've seen way too many use the sender's envelope. Thankfully it's not
nearly as common in the last decade as it was before.
* we have 2023 - period
* you can't send to gmailif you don't have SPF - period
I've had SPF for much longer than Gmail wanted it or DKIM.
But it is my understanding that you can send to Gmail with just DKIM.
I hope that we can agree that simply having an SPF record isn't
necessarily the same as using SPF; "ip4:0/0" and / or "+all" isn't
really having SPF.
and yes i get sick an tired from customers don't hosting mail on our
servers with complaints of rejected mails to gmail users quoting the
following:
host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.133.26] said:
550-5.7.26 This mail is unauthenticated, which poses a security risk to the
550-5.7.26 sender and Gmail users, and has been blocked. The sender must
550-5.7.26 authenticate with at least one of SPF or DKIM. For this message,
550-5.7.26 DKIM checks did not pass and SPF check for
There you go; "at least one of SPF or DKIM". So by Google's own
message, you can send to them without SPF /if/ you have DKIM.
in the past 15 years?
name them!
I don't remember the exact mailing lists, it was 5-10 years ago. They
have since changed.
It was multiple lists with an organization that I think should have
known better. The IETF comes to mind.
Grant. . . .
