Interesting for sure.  For me I saw the issue start to really get noticed
last February.

I think there might be correlation with a hack on their platform too.

I reached out to Twilio leadership with nothing but crickets too.

Here is a great cyber security reporter and an article from August 2020:
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/08/sendgrid-under-siege-from-hacked-accounts/

What's amazing to me is how much they've done to fix the problem oh wait
they've done nothing...

-KAM


On Fri, May 21, 2021, 08:28 Jared Hall <ja...@jaredsec.com> wrote:

> Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> > And that rule is probably designed to hit legitimate sendgrid emails.
> >
> > They have become a hacker and spammer haven over the last year and a
> > half approximately.
> >
> Damned straight.  I'd say more like 2.5 years, maybe 1.5 pre-pandemic
> years.
>
> SendGrid -> novel (at thie time) Positive Delivery company.
> SendGrid -> API opens up for quazi-spam/newsletter delivery..
> SendGrid -> adds support for smaller ISPs and their infected customers.
>
> For my part, I made some changes to my rules in CHAOS to differentiate
> between the occurrence of a SendGrid header versus encapsulated SendGrid
> headers like you'll get when larger mail systems populate the References
> header for forwarding. Respectively, the rules set are JR_SGRID_DIRECT
> and JR_SGRID_FWD. At least that seems to be a little more effective for
> Comcast and BellSouth mail systems.
>
> You just haven't lived until you've seen endless mailserver rejects
> issued to SendGrid and SendGrid Partners  who are sending you Aaron
> Smith Sextortions or Emotet variants.   If I'm a hostile, nation-state
> actor,  I probably already have an account with SendGrid.
>
> Nobody should be using SendGrid; NEVER, EVER.  One thing is certain, if
> this matter is NOT addressed by the mail admins on this list, it WILL BE
> addressed by the US Department of Commerce.
>
> What started out as an interesting project has become a National
> Security risk.
>
>
> -- Jared Hall
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