FYI, I get many messages from this list that do not have the "unsubscribe" 
footer. Don't know what's up with that, and since I don't want to unsubscribe, 
I don't care. 

Thought you might find the info handy for troubleshooting.

Jim 

On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Tom Panfil <tap.h...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi Tubular,
> 
> Well, I just inspected headers and see that I had fooled myself. My original 
> subscription request was:
> 
>    Subject:   Subscribe to OpenOffice Users Mailing List
>    Body:       Hello,     Subscribe tapan...@ieee.org
> 
> My reply to the "confirm subscribe to ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org"  was:
> 
>    Subject:   Confirm Subscription to ooo-user Mailing List
>    Body:       Hi, I do want to subscribe to the ooo-users mailing list,
>                   BUT I would prefer that my mail be set to my Reply-To 
> Address: tapan...@ieee.org
>                   Rather than to my From Address: tap.h...@verizon.net
> 
> The resulting WELCOME message said in part:
> 
>     Acknowledgment: I have added the address
>            tap.h...@verizon.net
>      to the ooo-users mailing list.
>      Welcome to ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org!
>      Please save this message so that you know the address you are
>      subscribed under, in case you later want to unsubscribe or change your
>      subscription address.
> 
> So, my attempt to con the list server to use my IEEE Remailer address failed.
> 
> It looks like people are not allowed to subscribe via their preferred 
> remailer addresses.
> 
> You must have actually been seeing people writing from ISP supplied addresses 
> other than the ISP provided addresses from which they subscribed.
> 
> You must be right -- Maybe some others have been under the same misconception 
> which I just aired.  Maybe this will help them.
> 
> v/r,
> 
> Tom
> 
> On 3/10/14 10:57 PM, Tubular wrote:
>> Thank you, Tom for the insight; however, if these people cannot send email 
>> from these type of email addresses, how did they get on the list to start 
>> with?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tom Panfil wrote:
>>> Hello OpenOffice Apache Moderators,
>>> 
>>> I don't want to unsubscribe from any of the three project lists to which I 
>>> subscribe (users, dev, api)  but like you,  I've seen too many requests 
>>> sent to the lists from people who want to unsubscribe.  I assume that 
>>> something is finally done administratively to unsubscribe their addresses 
>>> since they eventually stop pestering.
>>> 
>>> Many people who are members of ACM or IEEE or other professional 
>>> associations register using a Remailer Address serviced by the 
>>> organization.  The use of a Remailer Address enables provision of at least 
>>> the following services by the organization:
>>> 
>>> * Virus scanning of mail sent to the member's "Remailer Address"
>>> * Quarantining of S--- sent to the member's "Remailer Address" --
>>>   Note that I did not use the "S-Word" since using it might cause
>>>   Verizon refuse to send the message considering it to be S----.
>>> * Forwarding of non-infected non-S--- messages to the member's ISP
>>>   provided addresses.
>>> * Ease of changing of ISPs by simply registering a new ISP supplied
>>>   e-mail address with the Remailer Service so that mail sent to the
>>>   Remailer address is forwarded to the member's "new" current ISP
>>>   provided address.  Correspondents need not be informed of the change
>>>   of ISP.
>>> 
>>> These people *cannot* send from their Remailer Addresses.  They can and 
>>> usually do include their preferred Remailer Address in the Reply-To field 
>>> of their message headers.  Their e-mail messages are sent from their ISP 
>>> provided addresses.
>>> 
>>> So, I think that a significant proportion of those who send to the list 
>>> asking to be removed have tried sending to the address in the footer of the 
>>> messages and were not removed from the list since they are subscribed with 
>>> a Remailer Address.  That address from which they are send is different 
>>> from the address which is subscribed
>>> 
>>> I recommend that some mechanism be established for such subscribers to take 
>>> action to be removed from OpenOffice Apache lists.  The instructions they 
>>> need should be provided in the footer with the other three instructions.
>>> 
>>> I can't imagine that *no* developers and maintainers of OpenOffice know of 
>>> Remailer Addresses.  How could this problem have festered so long?   Does 
>>> the project cadre really not know about Remailer Addresses?   If you can 
>>> maintain Apache projects you must be able to understand this dilemma now 
>>> that I have explained it somewhat clearly, I think.
>>> 
>>> Note that I am subscribed via an IEEE Remailer address.
>>> 
>>> I'd no doubt have the same problem which these other poor souls have if I'd 
>>> try to unsubscribe.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
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>> Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3722/6671 - Release Date: 03/09/14
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> *v/r,
>               Tom Panfil
>           eBureaucrat (Ret.)
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