I deeply reconsider should I involve myself in this thread. Finally “Alea
iacta est“. This will be completely OT but I could not resist.
Actually, this post is about attitude and professionalism in Fedora
community. Lately I saw in to many threads negative attitude about
suggestions, complains, bugs ... etc posted from users in this list. I got
sick of it.
FOSS community become very hostile place, especially by developers. I doubt
that Richard Stallman or any other leader from FSF, GNU would like to FOSS
become such a place.
I'm aware of the fact that GNOME developers do not read this list. I'm
aware of the fact that many Fedora/Red Hat maintainers do not read this
list. But we don't have any other place to express our observations about
Fedora distribution and included software.
Drop that spilled the cup is comments from Ankur aka FranciscoD about issue
in this thread.
First things first: I'm in the Unix/Linux world more than this young Indian
Tiger's age. Last 12 years main and almost only OS on my desktops, laptops,
servers (at home and work) is Fedora/CentOS/RHEL. They satisfy my need in
day-to-day work, research, entertainment ... etc. Using comps more than 8
hrs per day. So, I feel that I have rights to write comments about comments.
first:
> +1
>
>
>> I'll request you to please quit ranting. It isn't constructive in the
>
> least. This isn't the place for it: your personal blog is. It's F/LOSS.
>
> If you don't like it, do something to change it: fork gnome3 if you
>
> want? Here, all you need to do is install an extension. It really isn't
>
> too much to ask :)
>
> First of all you are claim that you are Fedora Ambassador. You CAN'T
wrote something like this. In good faith, I'll request you to please quit
from Fedora Ambassadors. It is destructive for Fedora to have
representative who writes these comments. This isn't place for it: your
personal blog is. Anyhow, you declare your blog as geek's blog. From my
point of view Fedora is not geeky distribution, leastwise I don't
experience it as that. Hope it wouldn't never become. About FOSS, I
strongly recommend to you to read and learn more about FOSS, free software
movement and similar subjects. If you don't like comments/complains from
Fedora users do something to change it: fork it/spin it if you want. It
really isn't to much to ask :)
> It *is* a *basic* thing. Are they purely aiming at a server market?
>
> > Home users *do* turn their PCs off.
>
>
>> How difficult is pressing the alt button?
>
>
>> I don't understand what the cribbing is all about really:
>
>
>> 1. press alt button
>
> 2. install the extension
>
> 3. if you use a terminal: "poweroff" works there
>
> 4. use a different DE
>
> 5. use windows/mac
>
>
>> Any of the above solutions will work. To avoid pressing one alt button I
>
> see folks typing emails discussing how difficult it is to press the alt
>
> button? Doesn't that require pressing more keys? So, since it isn't
>
> efficiency you're after, what is it?
>
>
It is all about use cases. I don't understand what is cribbing is all about
really: (my use case scenario)
1. power off by default
2. press alt button if you like to suspend/hibernate/logout
2.1 allow user to customize behaviour of button
3. install extension: users must write extensions because main
functionality is not accomplished.
4. if you use terminal: type "exit" or "CTRL-D"; go to 1.
5. use a different DE: yes we have freedom of choice. My is to use GNOME
(gnome-shell) with usable interface. I will ask you to read more about HCI.
6. use windows/mac (meaning OSX I assume) : you are Fedora Ambassador, this
is totally inappropriate. Or maybe you got donation/payment from them?
Аny of the above solutions will work. I saw many frustrated programmers
typing emails discussing how is difficult to adapt software to user use
cases or wishes.
Neither am I kidding, nor am I a masochist. I just don't like random
>
> folks venting on mailing lists. If you haven't learnt yet, venting does
>
> nothing. It doesn't bring any changes. All it does is waste infra.
>
>
>> Like N number of people have already written: Install the extension, no
>
> more alt required. From F18, you'll have your poweroff back. In the
>
> meantime, if alt is too much, and installing an extension one time is
>
> too much, use something else. Move to another DE.
>
>
Well, we can't discuss about this issue here? If you haven't learnt yet,
there is something as Freedom of speech. Comments as this lead us in any of
*isms (fascism, communism). Hmmm, I will reformulate myself: all are equal,
but some are more equal than others. Current status of GNOME DE satisfy
your needs. I just don't like random folks persuading others on mailing
list that GNOME is good or must install extension for basic functionality.
Must install an extension every time with new version of GNOME, if author
rewrite it because compatibility problems. If I rethink, it would be better
to learn C, C++, Python, JavaScript, GNOME 3 architecture (there is
a plenty docs of course) and write own extension. It would be superb only
developers could using Linux. I'm afraid that would be waste of human
resources. (human resources are more expensive than infrastructure)
ER: "if"? That used to mean something..
>
>
>> What I'm suggesting is that you move to Windows/Mac if no DE in Linux
>
> works for you. I'm sure you won't fork a DE to customize for yourself if
>
> you can't install an extension or use alt. LOL.
>
>
With or without LOL, you get liberty as a Fedora
Ambassador/Maintainer/Contributor in other words representative (as you
wrote on your fedora user page) to write something like this?????? I find
this comment as very disgusting. Linux and Fedora as part of Linux
community it is not used as Desktop OS only. Just for your information.
After this comment your email address goes to my Trash filter. At least
that is last freedom that I have.
Maybe your reaction is conditioned by your age. Maybe you have bad period
at work. Maybe ... well I could find to many excuses for your behaviour.
Seems you are forget main rule: The customer is always right. Even if he
use stupid in his vocabulary. As Fedora doesn't have CRM this mail list is
substitution for it.
Maybe you think that "power-off stupidity" is not part
of troubleshooting Fedora? Even Fedora/Red Hat doesn't develop GNOME . I
would like you to show me some place where I as Fedora user can write about
other "stupidity" in GNOME or any other software included in Fedora
distribution?
For a reason of constructivism:
You are constantly repeat "Move to another DE". Fine. But why Cinnamon
isn't part of Fedora repo? I find there less "stupidity" than in
gnome-shell.
At the end: There is no stupid question, only stupid answers ( :), LOL,
laughs, smile )
P.S. no hard feelings Indian Tiger
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