On 09/27/2011 11:59 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 09/26/2011 11:59 PM, Roger wrote: >> On 26/09/11 19:38, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> On 09/22/2011 02:15 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: >>>> Alan Cox is exactly right that the users of Fedora products get them >>>> free and one can make a strong case that therefore Fedora developers >>>> have no responsibility to listen to user's complaints. >>>> >>>> However, the Fedora users provide a service to the ReHat company of >>>> identifying bugs that otherwise would show up to annoy the paying users >>>> of RedHat Enterprise . >>>> >>>> This is probably a weak argument to support the developers of Fedora >>>> software listening to its users but what is clear is the current >>>> situation leaves a bad taste in the mouths of the current Fedora >>>> user-base. Clearly developers can ignore our complaints, but I have no >>>> evidence that the paying Enterprise customers will be more tolerant of >>>> the strange direction that RedHat is taking. >>> This is all too vague for me to understand. What are you talking about? >>> >> Some say that the new Fedora GUI is unhelpful and possibly difficult to >> use, preferring a simpler desktop. > > Ahh, this is all about GNOME 3. It's very unfair to describe the > actions/attitude of GNOME developers at that of all Fedora developers.
As long as Fedora ship a "first release", as you prefer to call it, as "default DE", people will identify and set equal "Fedora" with "Gnome3". I find this very relatable and therefore find "throwing Fedora and Gnome3 into one big bowl" to be not without justification. >> This resulted in a discussion touching on the developers responsibility >> to users, if any. >> Ubuntu and Fedora 14 offers the choice of new or classic. > > Not to mention KDE and XFCE. > > GNOME 3 is, to say the least, controversial. Ubuntu Unity hasn't had a > uniformly great reception either. Agreed. As I see it, both Ubuntu and Fedora's managements seem to be addicted to the same "GUI/DE cult". They both seem to be missing that both "Gnome 3" and "Unity" are aiming at a user-base, which is entirely different from the corresponding distributions' user-bases. This new new-user-base likely is (mostly) satisfied, but many of these distros' "old long term supporters and users" simply feel their so far choosen distro's DE doesn't suite their needs anymore. Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
