wow... in all honesty. I hadn't really looked or thought about any of this regarding if I got or didn't get, or if something didn't get back to me as sent as part of a reply...
things have changed, and are continuing to change. who knows we're this gordion knot will wind up!! On Mon, Dec 1, 2025, 11:14 PM Tim via users <[email protected]> wrote: > Stephen Morris: > > > > If the issue is that the echoing of the sent mail to the sent folder > on > > > > the server is causing gmail to think it doesn't need to retain the > > > > "echo", if I configure Thunderbird to save the sent mail in a local > > > > "sent" folder, would that rectify the issue for both replies and > sent mail? > > Tim: > > > That sounds like it'd work, to me. > > Stephen Morris > > It looks like changing the sent location to a local folder makes no > > difference either. > > So, probably an issue of your address being the poster, rather than it > already having a copy of the message (going by duplicate message IDs). > > Many systems, now, do a check for mail that is authorised. In other > words, when you post from a certain domain name, that domain has > records showing the services allowed to post its mail. > > When you post to someone using your gmail address, the recipient's > service checks that the server sending it is an authorised sender for > that address. And if it isn't, then it can flag it as spam, or refuse > to accept it (as two common courses of action). > > This list server can do that, and accepts your post (as gmail was > authorised to handle your gmail address). When it relays your post to > all the recipients, their servers can do a similar check, and test if > the server that sent the message is authorised to do so. The list > server will NOT be an authorised poster of gmail addresses, and various > servers (gmail included) may do whatever they automatically do with > spam. The list server will only be an authorised poster of messages > coming from its own addresses. > > *This* kind of spam (messages sent through unauthorised servers) is > treated far more harshly than messages that seem like spam because the > content has used a few bad keywords or come from various untrustworthy > sources (all of which often just end up in your junk folder). > > The common solution to this issue is that list servers will rewrite the > addresses in the mail before forwarding it. Replacing your from > address with their own, which they will be an authorised poster for it. > And possibly adding your address in another header so people could > reply privately to you if necessary. > > However, I received your mail through the server with it coming "from" > your gmail address. There's every chance that some of the list headers > give leeway to this issue, to my servers. But perhaps gmail is being > more pernickity about this, and blocking your reception. > > I don't use gmail as a rule. I have a gmail address, it's used by a > few things (mostly the various android things that require one for > their authentication purposes), but it's rare that I make posts through > it. It's such a pain in so many ways. > > Many years ago I set up a yahoo address since yahoo was responsible for > a lot of the spam I received back then, I figured they deserved to have > to deal with it. > > There are a variety of free email services that you could use instead > of gmail, but the "authorised sender" check is becoming a much more > wide-spread thing. I think list servers are going to have to modify > their behaviour more. Probably having to change *every* poster's > "from" address to say the post came from the list (as it does to my > yahoo address), not just the ones they've already discovered to be > problematic. > > If a list admin had options for doing that kind of thing to individuals > (whether or not rewriting their "from" address is enabled), perhaps > that was what they did for you beforehand. > > When lists do that rewriting the address kind of thing, you can simply > include your personal address in a footer if you want to be able to > receive direct replies. > > > > -- > > uname -rsvp > Linux 3.10.0-1160.119.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 4 14:43:51 UTC 2024 > x86_64 > (yes, this is the output from uname for this PC when I posted) > > Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. > I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[email protected] > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue >
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