> On 25 Aug 2022, at 09:31, Tim via users <users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > Tim: >>> I also look at /var/log/messages, other people use journalctl, but I >>> find the messages file easier to deal with. > > Samuel Sieb: >> You must have upgraded from a much older version or else you've made >> some changes. > > Not an upgrade, a fresh install. And I don't recall making any changes > related to the messages file creation. My post install logs just show > things installing vlc, gstreamer and lame codecs, chromium and google- > chrome browsers, evolution, gimp, gvim, musescore, autofs.
I just check my KDE VM that is a fresh install and it has rsyslog installed and the old school /var/log/messages etc. I'll have to run around all my systems and dnf remove rsyslog to clean mess of logs up! > > On the other PC: > uname -rsvp > Linux 5.18.16-200.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed Aug 3 15:44:49 UTC > 2022 x86_64 > > It's the Mate spin, if that makes any difference. > >> By default there is no /var/log/messages file. The >> journal is the default system and it is much easier to use. > > This is some new definition of easier that I'm unfamiliar with. > > I have to learn commands I don't know, as opposed to tail, less, and > grep, that's on virtually all Linuxes. The same commands I use on > every other log file I read (Apache logs, mail logs, etc). I have to > keep referring to the man file to be able to use journalctl. And it's > a right pig to deal with it loading a huge amount of data as opposed to > reading the last messages file since it was rolled over. You need to know a small number of new commands and its worth it. Because the journal is structured log records you can query it in useful and fast ways. Want to know what sshd did since boot? [root@armf36 ~]# journalctl --boot 0 --unit sshd Aug 25 15:28:58 armf36.chelsea.private systemd[1]: Starting sshd.service - OpenSSH server daemon... Aug 25 15:28:58 armf36.chelsea.private sshd[1012]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. Aug 25 15:28:58 armf36.chelsea.private sshd[1012]: Server listening on :: port 22. Aug 25 15:28:58 armf36.chelsea.private systemd[1]: Started sshd.service - OpenSSH server daemon. Don't like typing --boot well its this: journalctl -b 0 -u sshd Want to know what happened in that last few minutes? [root@armf36 ~]# journalctl --since=15:31 Aug 25 15:31:24 armf36.chelsea.private systemd[1]: fprintd.service: Deactivated successfully. Aug 25 15:31:24 armf36.chelsea.private audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 s> Aug 25 15:31:24 armf36.chelsea.private audit: BPF prog-id=0 op=UNLOAD Aug 25 15:31:28 armf36.chelsea.private systemd[1]: systemd-hostnamed.service: Deactivated successfully. Its got grep built in as well. so you can combine grep with any of the above. [root@armf36 ~]# journalctl --since=15:31 --grep STOP Aug 25 15:31:24 armf36.chelsea.private audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 s> Aug 25 15:31:28 armf36.chelsea.private audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 s> > > Yep, definitely not the "easier" in my dictionary. I have to support systems without journald and its slower to get to the info need. Barry > > -- > > uname -rsvp > Linux 3.10.0-1160.76.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Aug 10 16:21:17 UTC 2022 x86_64 > > Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. > I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
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