On Apr 28, 2022, at 07:05, Justin Moore <justin.nonw...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 5:35 PM Jonathan Billings <billi...@negate.org>
>> wrote:
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>> Just as much as frustrating as people who say “systemd is evil” and because
>> it has bugs it should be tossed out entirely.
>
> That attempted equivalence doesn't acknowledge the power imbalance in the
> situation. The "systemd can't possibly be broken in THAT way" crowd are part
> of the group which have final say over Linux distributions at large and how
> they do (or don't) work.
>
> If the "systemd is evil" crowd were removing systemd from Fedora/Ubuntu/etc
> and repeatedly breaking working systems and dismissing user feedback -- even
> if they had good intentions and could point to bugs they were fixing -- I
> think this equivalence would carry weight.
I only waded into this argument because someone said systemd isn’t any use on a
workstation, which is just untrue. I’m not part of any group that incorporates
it into Fedora, but I have a lot of experience in enterprise workstations where
systemd has really improved my ability to manage systems.
I genuinely would prefer showing all the neat things you can do but I usually
end up defending a decision I didn’t make on a platform I have no control over.
>> I wasn’t trying to be dismissive, I just didn’t realize we were debugging
>> someone’s genuine problem.
>
> And, not to be too flip, I think that's part of the problem.
I agree. I will strive to avoid discussing systemd in the future.
--
Jonathan Billings
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