Hi Lucian,

Thanks for sharing. I agree that Debian 13 would be a nice option.

The script looks good and the steps are very similar to one I am working
on. Mine supports customizing other cloud images (Debian, of course, as
well as Ubuntu, Rocky, AlmaLinux, etc.) and converting them into specific
formats.

Packer would be a good option for production templates. However,
customizing existing cloud images is much easier and faster - I can get
qcow2, VHD, and OVA templates ready in about 10 minutes. Sorry @Wido den
Hollander <[email protected]>


-Wei


On Thu, Oct 15, 2026 at 3:10 AM Nux <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've manipulated a Debian 13 genericcloud image into a possible
> CloudStack default template.
> Build script and samples here, everything is explained in the script,
> I'd appreciate your thoughts, especially around security and SSH access.
>
> https://jenkins.openvm.eu/files/deftmpl/
>
> Lucian
>
> On 2026-10-12 10:14, Kiran Chavala wrote:
> > Subject: [DISCUSS] Replacing the default built-in CentOS template in
> > CloudStack
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'd like to start a discussion on replacing the default built-in
> > template
> > that ships with every CloudStack installation.
> >
> > The original GitHub discussion is here, and you're welcome to comment
> > there
> > as well:
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/discussions/13797
> >
> > Today, the built-in templates registered for each hypervisor are quite
> > outdated:
> >
> > - KVM: CentOS 5.5 (64-bit) no GUI
> >
> >
> http://download.cloudstack.org/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> > - XenServer: CentOS 5.6 (64-bit) no GUI
> >
> > http://download.cloudstack.org/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
> > - vSphere: CentOS 5.3 (64-bit) no GUI
> >   http://download.cloudstack.org/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
> >
> > These templates are no longer practical, even for basic testing:
> >
> > 1. The VM deploys, but the SSH service doesn't work, so it's of little
> > use
> > for validating a fresh installation.
> > 2. They're starting to break outright on newer hypervisors. On ACS 4.22
> > with XenServer 8.4, deploying a VM from the default CentOS template
> > fails
> > with "Cannot find Template CentOS 7 on XenServer host", because
> > XenServer
> > 8.4 has deprecated the CentOS 7 guest template (tracked in
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/issues/13798).
> >
> > What I'd like to see is a new default template that is:
> >
> > - current, and in line with what users actually run today
> > - small in footprint, so it downloads quickly and can be used for quick
> > testing right after installation
> > - functional for the core guest features: root password reset, SSH
> > keys,
> > user data, and cloud-init
> >
> > Candidates I've looked at:
> >
> > - macchinina (https://github.com/NuxRo/macchinina)
> > - Alpine Linux cloud images (https://alpinelinux.org/cloud/)
> > - CirrOS (https://github.com/cirros-dev/cirros)
> > - Debian cloud images (https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/)
> > - Ubuntu minimal cloud images (
> > https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/minimal/releases/)
> > - AlmaLinux Generic Cloud (
> > https://wiki.almalinux.org/cloud/Generic-cloud.html)
> > - Rocky Linux (https://wiki.rockylinux.org/rocky/image/)
> > - Fedora Cloud (https://fedoraproject.org/cloud/download/)
> >
> > My personal preference is between two options:
> >
> > 1. macchinina: built for CloudStack testing, but it needs a refresh and
> > someone to maintain it going forward.
> > 2. Alpine cloud image: very small and well maintained upstream. We'd
> > need
> > to run tests to confirm password, SSH key, and user-data behaviour
> > across
> > hypervisors.
> >
> > Most of the mainstream distro cloud images are in the 500-600 MB range,
> > which goes against the "quick test after install" goal.
> >
> > I'd love to hear the community's views on:
> >
> > - which image (or images) you'd prefer as the default
> > - any hypervisor-specific concerns (KVM / XenServer-XCP-ng / VMware)
> >
> >
> > If there's rough consensus, I'm happy to follow up with a PR and
> > testing
> > across hypervisors.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kiran Chavala
>

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