Justin,

Appreciate your reply.  Your insight is greatly appreciated and invaluable.

If you can provide more details on this, then I would appreciate it.  I can 
search the archives for it as well.  I am guessing there is some command line 
equivalent to represent the tree.

What we have is several devices that have JMS clients that communicate with the 
broker on topics and durable queues.  By “several devices” I mean maybe 100s or 
1000s.

Regards,

William Crowell

From: Justin Bertram <jbert...@apache.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 at 2:57 PM
To: users@activemq.apache.org <users@activemq.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Maximum Amount of Topic/Queues Within Apache Artemis
The broker itself doesn't impose any arbitrary limits on the number of
addresses & queues. That said, there certainly are limits, the size of your
heap probably being the most important. Every address and queue carry with
it some memory overhead including the objects themselves but also related
objects like JMX MBeans which enable management.

The current management console will struggle by default with a huge number
of addresses and/or queues due to the way the "tree" view works (i.e.
refreshing the whole view on a regular basis). This is the main reason we
removed this view in the new console [1]. That said, the console can be
configured in such a way as to mitigate some of these problems. I can
provide more details on that if necessary although it's been covered on
this list a few times already.

Regarding scalability...the broker was written with scalability in mind,
but everything breaks down at some point. I'm interested to hear about your
experiences if you go down this route especially regarding bottlenecks that
you may find for your specific use-case. Keep us in the loop!


Justin

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On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 12:33 PM William Crowell
<wcrow...@perforce.com.invalid> wrote:

> Good afternoon,
>
> Are there any limitations or concerns with creating millions of topics and
> queues within Apache Artemis that have low volumes of messages in each
> topic and queue?  I do not think there are as I believe Artemis should be
> able to handle this use case.  Important question is: Is it scalable?
>
> Regards and have a great day,
>
> William Crowell
>
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