I think the record would pile up unacked at the source mirror.

and @Stephen baker: sorry about my mistake on this fix...


Why would the upgrade be difficult on 2.27? it's just adding a
log4j2.properties.. everything else should be the same.


You should probably bring a patched version yourself until we can make
a release? I'm thinking we should make a release next week.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 10:27 AM Stephen Baker
<stephen.ba...@rmssoftwareinc.com> wrote:
>
> Your patch does resolve the error. Artemis 2.27 looks like it will be a 
> difficult upgrade, I ended up making a new instance and merging config over.
>
> I have pasted a trace in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ARTEMIS-4045
>
> What is the impact of this issue? I’m trying to decide whether to advise our 
> IT team to continue with the planned upgrade or hold off until 2.27. We will 
> definitely encounter this condition in production. From a surface reading, 
> possibly a resource leak?
>
>
>
>
> From: Clebert Suconic <clebert.suco...@gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 9:54 PM
> To: users@activemq.apache.org <users@activemq.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Mirror compatibility across versions
> Notice that main is now using SLF4j / log4j... (in case you manually
> upgrade to a snapshot)
>
>
> We are still working the details for an upgrade.
>
>
> if you need to patch your 2.25.0 it's a straight change to make there
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 9:52 PM Clebert Suconic
> <clebert.suco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know how I would test it yet. It's fairly late in the night
> > for me.. I will think about it tomorrow.
> >
> >
> > but here is a tentative fix:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/pull/4256
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 9:30 PM Stephen Baker
> > <stephen.ba...@rmssoftwareinc.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > That’s the full output with regular logging levels. I can reproduce at 
> > > will so I have enabled trace level logging and pasted the result in 
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ARTEMIS-4045
> > >
> > > Let’s take further discussion there?
> > >
> > > From: Clebert Suconic <clebert.suco...@gmail.com>
> > > Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 9:10 PM
> > > To: users@activemq.apache.org <users@activemq.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Mirror compatibility across versions
> > > is this the actual trace? or you cut some to post here?
> > >
> > >
> > > Just puzzled by skipDelivery calling performAck..
> > >
> > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at
> > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.protocol.amqp.connect.mirror.AMQPMirrorControllerTarget.lambda$performAck$2(AMQPMirrorControllerTarget.java:377)
> > > [artemis-amqp-protocol-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at
> > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.server.impl.QueueImpl$2.skipDelivery(QueueImpl.java:1203)
> > > [artemis-server-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > >
> > >
> > > can you post the full stack if this is not it?
> > >
> > >
> > > it definitely needs fixing... I'm investigating it.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 6:05 PM Stephen Baker
> > > <stephen.ba...@rmssoftwareinc.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Having updated both sides to 2.25 I’m seeing this error in the logs, is 
> > > > it a concern that warrants further investigation?
> > > >
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   | 2022-10-12 22:01:43,632 ERROR 
> > > > [org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.server] AMQ224041: Failed to deliver: 
> > > > java.lang.IllegalStateException: this method requires to be called 
> > > > within the handler, use the executor
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.protocol.amqp.proton.handler.ProtonHandler.requireHandler(ProtonHandler.java:210)
> > > >  [artemis-amqp-protocol-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.protocol.amqp.proton.AMQPConnectionContext.requireInHandler(AMQPConnectionContext.java:197)
> > > >  [artemis-amqp-protocol-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.protocol.amqp.proton.ProtonAbstractReceiver.settle(ProtonAbstractReceiver.java:185)
> > > >  [artemis-amqp-protocol-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.protocol.amqp.connect.mirror.AMQPMirrorControllerTarget$ACKMessageOperation.run(AMQPMirrorControllerTarget.java:125)
> > > >  [artemis-amqp-protocol-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.protocol.amqp.connect.mirror.AMQPMirrorControllerTarget.performAck(AMQPMirrorControllerTarget.java:388)
> > > >  [artemis-amqp-protocol-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.protocol.amqp.connect.mirror.AMQPMirrorControllerTarget.lambda$performAck$2(AMQPMirrorControllerTarget.java:377)
> > > >  [artemis-amqp-protocol-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.server.impl.QueueImpl$2.skipDelivery(QueueImpl.java:1203)
> > > >  [artemis-server-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.server.impl.QueueImpl.doInternalPoll(QueueImpl.java:2932)
> > > >  [artemis-server-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.server.impl.QueueImpl.deliver(QueueImpl.java:2991)
> > > >  [artemis-server-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.server.impl.QueueImpl$DeliverRunner.run(QueueImpl.java:4250)
> > > >  [artemis-server-2.25.0.jar:2.25.0]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.utils.actors.OrderedExecutor.doTask(OrderedExecutor.java:56)
> > > >  [artemis-commons-2.25.0.jar:]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.utils.actors.OrderedExecutor.doTask(OrderedExecutor.java:31)
> > > >  [artemis-commons-2.25.0.jar:]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.utils.actors.ProcessorBase.executePendingTasks(ProcessorBase.java:67)
> > > >  [artemis-commons-2.25.0.jar:]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1128)
> > > >  [java.base:]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:628)
> > > >  [java.base:]
> > > > artemis-test-artemis-1-m-1   |    at 
> > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.utils.ActiveMQThreadFactory$1.run(ActiveMQThreadFactory.java:118)
> > > >  [artemis-commons-2.25.0.jar:]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Stephen Baker <stephen.ba...@rmssoftwareinc.com>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 4:43 PM
> > > > To: users@activemq.apache.org <users@activemq.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: Mirror compatibility across versions
> > > > I set up some docker images in this configuration as a preliminary 
> > > > step. One oddity:
> > > >
> > > > Configure 2.25 side not to run the reaper
> > > > Send message to 2.25 side
> > > > Observe that after expiry the message shows up in the expiry queue on 
> > > > the 2.20 side, but not on the 2.25 side, the message is removed from 
> > > > the original queue on both sides.
> > > >
> > > > If the message is originally sent to the 2.20 side it shows up in both 
> > > > queues as expected.
> > > >
> > > > There’s probably a reason for it, but I didn’t expect this change. I 
> > > > thought that we would continue to see the old bugs until both sides 
> > > > were updated.
> > > >
> > > > From: Clebert Suconic <clebert.suco...@gmail.com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 3:24 PM
> > > > To: users@activemq.apache.org <users@activemq.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: Mirror compatibility across versions
> > > > Yeah.. something like that... not necessarily in there though. but a
> > > > similar test.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 1:44 PM Stephen Baker
> > > > <stephen.ba...@rmssoftwareinc.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, I agree based on a cursory reading of that patch. The extra 
> > > > > ackReason defaults to normal in one direction and isn’t read in the 
> > > > > other direction. Killed, replaced, and expired being interpreted as 
> > > > > normal just means that the 2.20 bugs will persist until both sides 
> > > > > are updated.
> > > > >
> > > > > I’ll test it out with different version docker containers. I suppose 
> > > > > as far as writing tests you mean something like the 
> > > > > MultiVersionReplicaTest.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen E. Baker
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Clebert Suconic <clebert.suco...@gmail.com>
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:59 PM
> > > > > To: users@activemq.apache.org <users@activemq.apache.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Mirror compatibility across versions
> > > > > In theory it should work.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Only change that might break compatibility is
> > > > > https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/commit/68f6d8263d8c795722805f0e4d6939e7a8b9ed48
> > > > > which is ARTEMIS-3743 / ARTEMIS-3766 Use ACKReason on Mirror to
> > > > > determine target operations and fixing Delivering statistics on Mirror
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried to not break compatibility, but I just realized we should add
> > > > > a test to validate compatibility between mirrors.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > so, I will say it should be compatible, but I would test it before
> > > > > doing it in the real system.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > if you are willing to contribute to a compatibility test :)
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:06 AM Stephen Baker
> > > > > <stephen.ba...@rmssoftwareinc.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are planning our production upgrade from 2.20 to 2.25. These 
> > > > > > upgrades involve a loss of service in the window between stopping 
> > > > > > the live and when the backup instance becomes ready to process 
> > > > > > messages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was wondering if the mirror protocol is expected to be compatible 
> > > > > > between those versions. If so we could upgrade our cold site, and 
> > > > > > then wait for a planned failover to avoid any additional down time. 
> > > > > > I know that quite a bit of work was done by Clebert in 2.24 so I 
> > > > > > was hoping he could weigh in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stephen E Baker
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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