At 3:12 PM -0800 12/5/05, Paul Benedict wrote:
>>Hm. Is it untidy that the Apache Software foundation has at least three web application frameworks? Should they be untethered from the Apache name and allowed to ride off... ? For that matter, why does Apache clutter itself with anything other than the original httpd?

Joe, I like your philosophy :-) My question is why is Shale under the Struts banner? As far as I
see it, it has nothing to do with the Struts community, minus the creator.

That's not true; there are other committers who have done work under Shale.

It's not even a
revolution. It addresses a wholly different problem set and I think it's wrong to call it "Struts". Imagine, as an analogy, the brouhaha if Tapestry suddenly began calling itself Struts Tapestry because it's a framework too! I think "Struts" Shale wholly confuses the brand name. I'd
like to see it be it's own man -- call it Jakarta Shale or Apache Shale.

And either of these might happen some day. In the meantime, what trouble is it to you?

Why don't we hear any sniping about the project to wean Tiles from having dependencies upon Struts? It is similarly at the periphery of struts-core.

What's the big deal? I know this thread has [FRIDAY] written all over it, but there's all this other sniping about Shale that doesn't. Why not leave it be and put your (collective) energy towards building something you want to use instead of kibitzing about something you don't? There are plenty of open tickets for Struts 1.x, a world of discussions that can be had about moving Struts Titanium forward, and a handful of other web applications that probably need volunteer efforts as well.

Joe

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