Hi Carsten, On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote:
> Well, regarding participation, we just had an excellent Talk about > participating in open source - and guess what even more detailed: on ASF - > projects here at W-JAX 2009 in Munich. > > It was especially of interest, since it drew a couple of examples what the > motivation of people would be to participate. And you will not be surprised > to see that a certain commercial interest is not unusual. > > However, the argument of "critical mass" being brought up above seems a > little vague to me: What is actually the number of comitters / contributors > required to switch into a good release plan? Yes it is vague for sure, and it is based on a reality check: OFbiz's community is active, OFBiz is widely used, a lot of new features are freely contributed everyday but very few people or companies seem interested in contributing time to maintain a release plan. This is why I said this. We can probably try do something to better use the efforts of the ones willing to help maintain releases, ideas are welcome. Kind regards, Jacopo > Any ideas? Is it dependant on > the BUG statistics reported on JIRA? How many are they and how good are we > contributors in fixing them? Are we currently building a backlog? Is it for > trunk or for releases only? How are bug reports/bugs distributed across > components? Is it possibly critical to have a certain number of committers > per component? > > Back to the talk I mentioned: > Once I have the slides, I will distribute the link across people (or here) > if there is interest. > > Kind regards > > > Carsten > > > 2009/11/12 Christopher Snow <[email protected]> > >> Yes, I take the credit for the hijack! >> >> >> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> >>> >>> From: "Olivier Tremblay" <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Unrelated: +1 thread hijack :P >>>> >>> >>> Yes, but if you read it all you will find that some ideas there matter and >>> are related to the subject Chris submitted >>> >>> This said, sorry for the thread hijack but it was Chris's actually ;o) >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>>> Back to the discussed matter: >>>> >>>> As a programmer, I'd be interested to know more about how I can help. >>>> I'm not really used to open-source projects, but I'm going to have to >>>> implement this solution for my company. Which is why I want to find other >>>> Canadian (preferably Quebec) users, and lend a hand if possible. What >>>> would >>>> I need to know to participate? >>>> >>>> Olivier >>>> >>>> Le 2009-11-12 à 06:20, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : >>>> >>>> Christopher, >>>>> >>>>> Sorry this is maybe a bit a technical answer, but I believe it shows >>>>> another mindset >>>>> >>>>> One of the causes, which is maybe hidden for philosophical and >>>>> pragmatical reasons, is that we (should) always use RTC mode (Review- >>>>> Then-Commit) >>>>> For more on this apect you could be interested by >>>>> http://old.nabble.com/Review-Then-Commit-td26303921.html >>>>> >>>>> To commiters : this does not mean that I'm pushing for CTR mode, only >>>>> that it's interesting to see how other communities are doing >>>>> and reactions about that ;o) >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "Christopher Snow" <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> So it's the chicken-and-egg situtation? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No : it's improving and the curve is not exponential nor even >>>>>> quadratic but is more than flat. Actually this is very clear since >>>>>> we released 9.04 >>>>>> And maybe the new effort which may happend on SME will increase even >>>>>> more this curve http://markmail.org/thread/whm4uqjhcvwz6pvp >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> There are not enough contributors to focus on making stable releases >>>>>>> and documentation. But without stable releases and >>>>>>> documentation, new contributors are not attracted to ofbiz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes we need more solid teams, this is improving... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Christopher Snow" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you saying that there are now enough contributors to implement >>>>>>>>> a good release plan? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:34 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ofbiz community seems to be focused on making ofbiz generate as >>>>>>>>>>> much consulting revenue as possible and not on making ofbiz a >>>>>>>>>>> great shrink wrapped product. For example, end users having to >>>>>>>>>>> use svn and patches so to keep their systems up to date is >>>>>>>>>>> crazy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't think that the focus of the OFBiz community is to make >>>>>>>>>> OFBiz a consulting revenue generator, nor I think that the >>>>>>>>>> absence of a stable recent release is a consequence of this. >>>>>>>>>> The awful truth, imo, is that maintaining a release is expensive >>>>>>>>>> (in terms of man hours) and the time contributed by the users >>>>>>>>>> of OFBiz (i.e. its community made of final users, consultants >>>>>>>>>> etc...) until now has not been enough to have a good release >>>>>>>>>> plan. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > > Best > > Carsten Schinzer > > Waisenhausstr. 53a > 80637 München > Germany
