Well, regarding participation, we just had an excellent Talk about participating in open source - and guess what even more detailed: on ASF - projects here at W-JAX 2009 in Munich.
It was especially of interest, since it drew a couple of examples what the motivation of people would be to participate. And you will not be surprised to see that a certain commercial interest is not unusual. However, the argument of "critical mass" being brought up above seems a little vague to me: What is actually the number of comitters / contributors required to switch into a good release plan? Any ideas? Is it dependant on the BUG statistics reported on JIRA? How many are they and how good are we contributors in fixing them? Are we currently building a backlog? Is it for trunk or for releases only? How are bug reports/bugs distributed across components? Is it possibly critical to have a certain number of committers per component? Back to the talk I mentioned: Once I have the slides, I will distribute the link across people (or here) if there is interest. Kind regards Carsten 2009/11/12 Christopher Snow <[email protected]> > Yes, I take the credit for the hijack! > > > Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> >> From: "Olivier Tremblay" <[email protected]> >> >>> Unrelated: +1 thread hijack :P >>> >> >> Yes, but if you read it all you will find that some ideas there matter and >> are related to the subject Chris submitted >> >> This said, sorry for the thread hijack but it was Chris's actually ;o) >> >> Jacques >> >> >>> Back to the discussed matter: >>> >>> As a programmer, I'd be interested to know more about how I can help. >>> I'm not really used to open-source projects, but I'm going to have to >>> implement this solution for my company. Which is why I want to find other >>> Canadian (preferably Quebec) users, and lend a hand if possible. What would >>> I need to know to participate? >>> >>> Olivier >>> >>> Le 2009-11-12 à 06:20, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : >>> >>> Christopher, >>>> >>>> Sorry this is maybe a bit a technical answer, but I believe it shows >>>> another mindset >>>> >>>> One of the causes, which is maybe hidden for philosophical and >>>> pragmatical reasons, is that we (should) always use RTC mode (Review- >>>> Then-Commit) >>>> For more on this apect you could be interested by >>>> http://old.nabble.com/Review-Then-Commit-td26303921.html >>>> >>>> To commiters : this does not mean that I'm pushing for CTR mode, only >>>> that it's interesting to see how other communities are doing >>>> and reactions about that ;o) >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> From: "Christopher Snow" <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> So it's the chicken-and-egg situtation? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No : it's improving and the curve is not exponential nor even >>>>> quadratic but is more than flat. Actually this is very clear since >>>>> we released 9.04 >>>>> And maybe the new effort which may happend on SME will increase even >>>>> more this curve http://markmail.org/thread/whm4uqjhcvwz6pvp >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> There are not enough contributors to focus on making stable releases >>>>>> and documentation. But without stable releases and >>>>>> documentation, new contributors are not attracted to ofbiz. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes we need more solid teams, this is improving... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Christopher Snow" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you saying that there are now enough contributors to implement >>>>>>>> a good release plan? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:34 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ofbiz community seems to be focused on making ofbiz generate as >>>>>>>>>> much consulting revenue as possible and not on making ofbiz a >>>>>>>>>> great shrink wrapped product. For example, end users having to >>>>>>>>>> use svn and patches so to keep their systems up to date is >>>>>>>>>> crazy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think that the focus of the OFBiz community is to make >>>>>>>>> OFBiz a consulting revenue generator, nor I think that the >>>>>>>>> absence of a stable recent release is a consequence of this. >>>>>>>>> The awful truth, imo, is that maintaining a release is expensive >>>>>>>>> (in terms of man hours) and the time contributed by the users >>>>>>>>> of OFBiz (i.e. its community made of final users, consultants >>>>>>>>> etc...) until now has not been enough to have a good release >>>>>>>>> plan. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Best Carsten Schinzer Waisenhausstr. 53a 80637 München Germany
