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Suggestion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Benedict Elliott Smith <bened...@apache.org > wrote: > The guidelines stipulate no "excessive or unnecessary" profanity. Perhaps > you also decide what qualifies as necessary or non-excessive? > > To summarise my view of this entire discussion: policing users is just... > mind boggling. Well worthy of profanity. > > > > > > On 12 September 2016 at 14:16, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On 12/09/2016 12:51, Benedict Elliott Smith wrote: >> >> Please tone down your language. There is no need for profanity. >> >> Now is probably a good time to remind everyone of the Apache Code of >> Conduct: >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html >> >> >> > (a link to 3rd party docs in response to a question when an >> > equivalent link to project hosted docs was available) >> > >> > >> > No, it wasn't. Or at least the link you sent was not remotely the same >> > as the link in the email you responded to, which was about how to >> > understand your partition sizes - not the configuration parameter. >> > Possibly you responded to the wrong email. >> >> I did respond to the wrong e-mail. I apologise for any confusion caused. >> I intended to respond to this message: >> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/6a68da3467b1fe8fe96c1be >> de135d329419b78bf3cc3912e727304db@%3Cuser.cassandra.apache.org%3E >> >> rather than this one: >> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/39a47ddf3cdecf6a196967b >> a679c30d65279a2afc05a2588e8c69bac@%3Cuser.cassandra.apache.org%3E >> >> I must have clicked on the wrong message in the thread as I moved >> between windows. >> >> > Any member of a project community (contributor, committer or PMC >> > member) >> > >> > >> > Right. But policing /users/ (which Mark most certainly is) is just >> > douchebaggery. Users should feel free to participate with the resources >> > /they know best /without fear of reprisal. All of your statement >> > suggests this shit belongs on the dev list. >> >> Users are as much part of the community as anyone else. >> >> > Or are we really suggesting that anyone discussing things on the user >> > list must be 100% conversant with the "official" docs before they can >> > make any kind of posting to the list? Or otherwise they can expect to >> > be attacked by other community members? >> >> I am not saying that at all. I am saying that, unless there is a good >> reason, links to documentation - particularly reference documentation - >> should be to the official Apache hosts docs in preference to links to a >> third party. >> >> > Talk about chilling. I do not see this promoting engagement - who wants >> > to help other users out if this is what they can expect in return? A >> > public shaming? >> >> My response was not to Mark, but to the community as a whole. It was not >> intended as either a reprimand or a shaming. If Mark feels differently, >> then I apologise. My intention was to make a simple request to the >> community as a whole to reference the official documentation in >> preference to 3rd party docs unless there was a good reason. >> >> > Linking to third party docs, blogs, etc is fairly common but they >> > tend to be linked by the OP in the form of "I've followed the >> > instructions I found here and it doesn't work". >> > >> > >> > Bullshit. Try a simple google >> > search: site:https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-user/ >> > thelastpickle.com/blog <http://thelastpickle.com/blog> >> > >> > There are 500 results. For just one external resource. I don't recall >> > a single one of these resulting in a reprimand. Try the first three >> > links from the search - they do not fit /any/ of your characterisations >> > of "normal" - but they do fit mine. >> >> None of which, according to Google, have been made since I joined the >> list in August. The past is the past and I don't see how a review of any >> of those posts helps the project. >> >> There are also ~1500 references to docs.datastax.com. I don't think >> reviewing those posts would help either. >> >> I'll note that the search didn't turn up this post (probably because of >> the combined delay in mail-archives.a.o updating and Google indexing the >> site): >> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7f60b641c40e5e7ba9c7c5c >> 90eee47a94e5ce8690450c7617adc4a41@%3Cuser.cassandra.apache.org%3E >> >> That is a good example of the "more involved" question I referred to >> previously. Hopefully, some of that information will find its way into >> the architecture section of the official docs. >> >> > Perhaps you can link the history of projects attacking users for their >> > email content? >> >> I did say that linking to 3rd party reference docs rather than the >> official reference docs as part of an answer to a question was unusual. >> In the Apache community I know best, Tomcat, I do recall it happening a >> few times but less than once a year. I don't recall any of the specifics >> so finding a reference in the ~150k user@ list messages over the last 10 >> years is a tall order. I did try, but finding a reference is going to >> take more time than I have. >> >> Mark >> >> >> > On 12 September 2016 at 12:10, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org >> > <mailto:ma...@apache.org>> wrote: >> > >> > On 09/09/2016 21:11, Benedict Elliott Smith wrote: >> > > Come on. This kind of inconsistent 'policing' is not helpful. >> > >> > How is it inconsistent? Since I subscribed to the mailing list on 22 >> > August, this is the first instance I have seen of anyone providing a >> > link to third party docs rather than the equivalent project hosted >> docs >> > in response to a user question. If I missed any, please point them >> out. >> > The lists are pretty busy and that, combined with my minimal >> technical >> > knowledge of Cassandra, means it is perfectly possible I missed >> some. >> > >> > I've done a quick double check of the user@ archives and while I >> do see >> > a number of messages referencing 3rd party docs, those references >> were >> > made by the OP rather than someone from the community providing an >> > answer. >> > >> > > By all means, push the /*committers*/ to improve the project docs >> > as is >> > > happening, and to promote the internal resources over external >> ones. >> > > >> > > But Mark has absolutely no formal connection with the project, >> and his >> > > contributions have only been to file a couple of JIRA (all of >> which have >> > > so far been ignored by those of his colleagues who /are/ active >> > > community members, I'll note!). Shaming him for not linking docs >> that >> > > describe something /other/ than what he was even talking about is >> > > crossing the line IMO. >> > >> > Any member of a project community (contributor, committer or PMC >> member) >> > directing users to 3rd party docs in preference to project docs >> without >> > a good reason is missing an opportunity to strengthen that project >> > community. >> > >> > > Linking to third-party resources is commonplace, the only >> difference I >> > > can see here is that these have been called "docs" by the >> authors, >> > > instead of a blog post, and Mark has a DataStax email address. >> > >> > Linking to third party reference docs for an Apache project in >> response >> > to a configuration question about that Apache project on one of the >> > project's mailing lists is pretty unusual. >> > >> > Linking to third party docs, blogs, etc is fairly common but they >> tend >> > to be linked by the OP in the form of "I've followed the >> instructions I >> > found here and it doesn't work". The responses to such questions >> > typically include links to the relevant parts of the Apache hosted >> docs. >> > >> > If the question is more involved then I have seen links to blogs, >> > presentations, YouTube etc provided as an answer. If this happens >> > multiple times for the same topic then it is usually added to an >> FAQ, >> > wiki or similar along with an e-mail to the author to see if they'd >> be >> > willing to contribute something to the docs. >> > >> > > Would you have reacted this way if Aaron Morton linked a blog >> post by >> > > thelastpickle? Or a random user posted their own resources? >> Obviously not. >> > >> > Wrong. My reaction was based on the content of the message (a link >> to >> > 3rd party docs in response to a question when an equivalent link to >> > project hosted docs was available) not on who sent it or their >> employer. >> > >> > > I was initially all for the ASF endeavour to counteract DataStax' >> > > outsized influence on the project, and was hopeful you might >> achieve >> > > some positive change. Perhaps you may well still do. But it >> seems to >> > > me that the ASF behaviour is beginning to cross from constructive >> > > criticism of the project participants to prejudicially hostile >> behaviour >> > > against certain community members - and that is unlikely to >> result in a >> > > better project. >> > > >> > > You should be treating everyone consistently, in a manner that >> promotes >> > > project health. >> > >> > It is not healthy if community members are directing users to 3rd >> party >> > documentation in preference to the project's own documentation. If >> it is >> > happening because the project's documentation is non-existent / >> wrong / >> > poorly written / etc. then that is understandable (and would be an >> issue >> > the project needed to address) but that was not the case in this >> > instance. >> > >> > There are many aspects to community health. In the grand scheme of >> > things the single e-mail that started this particular discussion is >> in >> > the noise. However, a consistent pattern of such e-mails would be >> much >> > more troubling. My intent was to ensure that such a pattern did not >> > form. >> > >> > Whether people agree with my response or not, the community is >> hopefully >> > more aware of the issue than it was previously. >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > > On Friday, 9 September 2016, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org >> <mailto:ma...@apache.org> >> > > <mailto:ma...@apache.org <mailto:ma...@apache.org>>> wrote: >> > > >> > > On 09/09/2016 16:46, Mark Curtis wrote: >> > > > If your partition sizes are over 100MB iirc then you'll >> > normally see >> > > > warnings in your system.log, this will outline the partition >> > key, at >> > > > least in Cassandra 2.0 and 2.1 as I recall. >> > > > >> > > > Your best friend here is nodetool cfstats which shows you >> the >> > > > min/mean/max partition sizes for your table. It's quite >> > often used to >> > > > pinpoint large partitons on nodes in a cluster. >> > > > >> > > > More info >> > > > here: >> > > >> > https://docs.datastax.com/en/cassandra/2.1/cassandra/tools/t >> oolsCFstats.html >> > <https://docs.datastax.com/en/cassandra/2.1/cassandra/ >> tools/toolsCFstats.html> >> > > >> > <https://docs.datastax.com/en/cassandra/2.1/cassandra/tools/ >> toolsCFstats.html >> > <https://docs.datastax.com/en/cassandra/2.1/cassandra/ >> tools/toolsCFstats.html>> >> > > >> > > Folks, >> > > >> > > It is *Apache* Cassandra. If you are going to point to docs, >> > please >> > > point to the official Apache docs unless there is a very good >> > reason >> > > not to. >> > > >> > > In this case: >> > > >> > > >> > http://cassandra.apache.org/doc/latest/configuration/cassand >> ra_config_file.html#compaction_large_partition_warning_threshold_mb >> > <http://cassandra.apache.org/doc/latest/configuration/cassa >> ndra_config_file.html#compaction_large_partition_warning_threshold_mb> >> > > >> > <http://cassandra.apache.org/doc/latest/configuration/cassan >> dra_config_file.html#compaction_large_partition_warning_threshold_mb >> > <http://cassandra.apache.org/doc/latest/configuration/cassa >> ndra_config_file.html#compaction_large_partition_warning_threshold_mb>> >> > > >> > > looks to the place. >> > > >> > > Mark >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Thanks >> > > > >> > > > Mark >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On 9 September 2016 at 02:53, Anshu Vajpayee >> > <anshu.vajpa...@gmail.com <mailto:anshu.vajpa...@gmail.com> >> > > > <mailto:anshu.vajpa...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:anshu.vajpa...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Is there any way to get partition size for a partition >> > key ? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >
