Yes.
Eclipse uses .project and .classpath.
Ant uses build.xml (and an often used file build.properties).

In contrast to Maven or Gradle Ant doesn't come with a built in dependency 
manager.
So just declaring "I need JUnit 4.12" doesn't work.
- place the jars by yourself in a directory (e.g. "/libs") and reference that 
(libs are stored in vcs)
- have a "download script" that places the jars inside that folder (libs are 
not stored in vcs, only the dependency declaration in the download script)
- use the maven tasks for downloading the files (see Ant's fetch.xml)
- use Ivy as dependency manager and use it to define the path's (see Ant's 
check.xml)


Jan


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Dennis Putnam [mailto:d...@bellsouth.net]
> Gesendet: Montag, 18. Februar 2019 14:35
> An: user@ant.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: Javac Run By Ant Script is Unable to Find External
> Jars
> 
> Hi Jan,
> 
> Thanks. Things are starting to come together in my head. If I
> understand, ant doesn't need the Eclipse .classpath at all and only the
> classpath suggested by Matt is used by ant, right?
> 
> On 2/18/2019 8:11 AM, Jan Matèrne (jhm) wrote:
> > Matt is correct: you are mixing Eclipse and Ant definitions.
> > So here some points by me:
> > * There is no default behaviour of <javac>. You have to specify the
> paths the compiler should use by yourself.
> > * <javac ... classpath=".classpath"/> means, that the file or
> directory ".classpath" should be used for classpath. But the
> .classpath-file is not a jar file, it is a xml file.
> > * I try to "translate" the .classpath:
> >
> > Eclipse: <classpathentry including="**/*.java" kind="src"
> output="target/classes" path="src">
> > Ant:     <javac src="src" dest="target/classes" includes=**/*.java"/>
> >
> > Eclipse: <classpathentry kind="con"
> path="org.eclipse.jdt.launching.JRE_CONTAINER/org.eclipse.jdt.internal.
> debug.ui.launcher.StandardVMType/JavaSE-1.7">
> > Ant:     not used (include current Java runtime)
> >
> > Eclipse: <classpathentry kind="lib" path="/lib/java-ext/json-simple-
> 1.1.1/json-simple-1.1.1.jar"/>
> > Ant:     <javac><classpath><path entry="/lib/java-ext/json-simple-
> 1.1.1/json-simple-1.1.1.jar"/></classpath></javac>
> >   ore more generic
> >          <javac><classpath><fileset dir="lib"
> > includes="**.*.jar"/></classpath></javac>
> >
> > Eclipse: <classpathentry kind="output" path="target/classes"/>
> > Ant:     not used (I think this controlls the "export behaviour" for
> inter-project dependencies)
> >
> > So combined (and tuned):
> >   <property name="build.classes" value="target/classes"/>
> >   <mkdir dir="${build.classes}"/>
> >   <javac src="src" dest="${build.classes}">  <!-- includes not
> required -->
> >     <classpath>
> >       <fileset dir="lib" includes="**.*.jar"/>
> >     </classpath>
> >   </javac>
> >
> >
> >
> > Jan
> >
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: Matt Bertolini [mailto:viper2...@gmail.com]
> >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Februar 2019 18:45
> >> An: Ant Users List
> >> Betreff: Re: Javac Run By Ant Script is Unable to Find External Jars
> >>
> >> Hi Dennis,
> >>
> >> I think you might be mixing up Eclipse concepts and Ant concepts and
> >> that might be causing some extra confusion. Based on your original
> >> email, the compiler is having issues finding your third-party
> >> dependencies. I believe Jaikiran is correct in saying that the
> >> <javac> task needs to be given some sort of classpath. The
> .classpath
> >> file is an Eclipse concept and unless there is some sort of
> >> Eclipse/Ant plugin I am not aware of, the .classpath file will have
> >> no effect on Ant’s, <javac> task. Also, I don’t believe the <javac>
> >> task has a default value for the classpath attribute. If no
> classpath
> >> or classpathref is specified then the compiler is not passed any
> classpath information.
> >>
> >> I would start by locating the folder where your third-party
> >> dependencies are and create a <path> element containing them like
> this:
> >>
> >> <path id="compile-classpath">
> >>     <fileset dir="/the/path/to/your/third/party/jars"/>
> >> </path>
> >>
> >> Once you have a path defined you can pass the classpath to the
> >> <javac> task using a refid like this:
> >>
> >> <javac srcdir="src" destdir="bin" includeantruntime="false"
> >> classpathref="compile-classpath"/>
> >>
> >> Try that and see how it goes.
> >>
> >> Matt Bertolini
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 10:02 AM Dennis Putnam <d...@bellsouth.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I apologize for being a pest but this is a problem I cannot resolve
> >> on
> >>> my own. The more I read the more confusing it gets. It seems like
> >>> there are thousands of ways to accomplish what I want but none make
> >>> any more sense than what I have. Is there no one that can help me
> >>> debug this problem or at least point me in the right direction?
> >>>
> >>> On 2/14/2019 9:42 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Jaikiran,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the reply. I thought the classpath parameter defaulted
> to
> >>> "basedir"/.classpath. In any case I made the following change:
> >>>
> >>> <javac srcdir="src" destdir="bin" includeantruntime="false"
> >>> classpath=".classpath" />
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately that didn't help. The ant output is exactly the same.
> >>> FWIW here is .classpath:
> >>>
> >>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <classpath>
> >>>         <classpathentry including="**/*.java" kind="src"
> >>> output="target/classes" path="src">
> >>>                 <attributes>
> >>>                         <attribute name="optional" value="true"/>
> >>>                         <attribute name="maven.pomderived"
> >> value="true"/>
> >>>                 </attributes>
> >>>         </classpathentry>
> >>>         <classpathentry kind="con"
> >>>
> >>
> path="org.eclipse.jdt.launching.JRE_CONTAINER/org.eclipse.jdt.internal.
> >> debug.ui.launcher.StandardVMType/JavaSE-1.7">
> >>>                 <attributes>
> >>>                         <attribute name="maven.pomderived"
> >> value="true"/>
> >>>                 </attributes>
> >>>         </classpathentry>
> >>>         <classpathentry kind="lib"
> >>> path="/lib/java-ext/json-simple-1.1.1/json-simple-1.1.1.jar"/>
> >>>         <classpathentry kind="con"
> >>> path="org.eclipse.m2e.MAVEN2_CLASSPATH_CONTAINER">
> >>>                 <attributes>
> >>>                         <attribute name="maven.pomderived"
> >> value="true"/>
> >>>                 </attributes>
> >>>         </classpathentry>
> >>>         <classpathentry kind="output" path="target/classes"/>
> >>>
> >>> The "lib" path is correct. I am guessing that the next tag
> >> essentially
> >>> points the pom.xml so here it is in case it matters:
> >>>
> >>> <project xmlns="http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0";
> >>> <http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0> xmlns:xsi=
> >>> "http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance";
> >>> <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance>
> >>> xsi:schemaLocation="http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0
> >>> http://maven.apache.org/xsd/maven-4.0.0.xsd";
> >>>
> <http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0http://maven.apache.org/xsd/maven-
> >> 4.
> >>> 0.0.xsd>
> >>>   <modelVersion>4.0.0</modelVersion>
> >>>   <groupId>KCBSEvents</groupId>
> >>>   <artifactId>KCBSEvents</artifactId>
> >>>   <version>0.0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >>>   <build>
> >>>     <sourceDirectory>src</sourceDirectory>
> >>>     <resources>
> >>>       <resource>
> >>>         <directory>src</directory>
> >>>         <excludes>
> >>>           <exclude>**/*.java</exclude>
> >>>         </excludes>
> >>>       </resource>
> >>>     </resources>
> >>>     <plugins>
> >>>       <plugin>
> >>>         <artifactId>maven-compiler-plugin</artifactId>
> >>>         <version>3.7.0</version>
> >>>         <configuration>
> >>>           <source>1.7</source>
> >>>           <target>1.7</target>
> >>>         </configuration>
> >>>       </plugin>
> >>>     </plugins>
> >>>   </build>
> >>>    <dependencies>
> >>>         <dependency>
> >>>                 <groupId>org.apache.httpcomponents</groupId>
> >>>                 <artifactId>httpclient</artifactId>
> >>>                 <version>4.5.6</version>
> >>>         </dependency>
> >>>         <dependency>
> >>>                 <groupId>commons-io</groupId>
> >>>                 <artifactId>commons-io</artifactId>
> >>>                 <version>2.5</version>
> >>>         </dependency>
> >>>         <dependency>
> >>>                 <groupId>org.apache.httpcomponents</groupId>
> >>>                 <artifactId>httpcore</artifactId>
> >>>                 <version>4.4.10</version>
> >>>         </dependency>
> >>>         <dependency>
> >>>                 <groupId>commons-codec</groupId>
> >>>                 <artifactId>commons-codec</artifactId>
> >>>                 <version>1.10</version>
> >>>         </dependency>
> >>>         <dependency>
> >>>                 <groupId>commons-logging</groupId>
> >>>                 <artifactId>commons-logging</artifactId>
> >>>                 <version>1.2</version>
> >>>         </dependency>
> >>>    </dependencies>
> >>>
> >>> Presumably the maven libraries are found from the zipfilesets in
> the
> >>> ant script.
> >>>
> >>> On 2/14/2019 8:55 AM, Jaikiran Pai wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Dennis,
> >>>
> >>> On 13/02/19 11:56 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> >>>
> >>> <javac srcdir="src" destdir="bin" includeantruntime="false" />
> >>>
> >>> I don't see any classpath being passed to the javac task in your
> >> build
> >>> script. You should be passing a classpath containing your jars that
> >>> are required to compile the source. There's more than one way to do
> >> that.
> >>> The javac task manual has more details about
> >>> ithttps://ant.apache.org/manual/Tasks/javac.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Jaikiran
> >>>
> >>>
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