For now, I’m using a temporary solution: I am setting the border width to 1. That might become a long-term workaround. — Dar
> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Dar Scott via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > I sprinkled some colors over the different object colors. I can see more of > what is happening that way. > > Show name off: The border grows outward. If 3D is off, it has the border > color. If it is on it has the bevel colors: left and top are the bottom > bevel, bottom and right have the top bevel. > > Show name on: Again 3D changes whether the background is used for both bevel > colors or the two bevel colors are used. In this case though, instead of > the whole outline having the above color pattern, the border lines, do. In > addition the inside border grows **inward**, covering things. Also, a > background stripe above and below the top line covers things. This might be > the background of the label; I couldn’t figure out how to set the alpha of > colors to test that, so I use the opaque check box. Even with opaque of, > objects are obscured. > > It looks as though instead of putting an appropriate sized label over the > border for the name, the object puts the opaque label above the content and > tries to draw a border on top of that. The drawing is the 3D drawing, lines > have 3D, not the whole rectangle of the border. The only difference for > turning off 3D is using border instead of the bevels. With 3D on, one can see > what is happening. The outside line is much like without the show name half > width, but with a little diagonal gap in the upper left. The inside line, > grows inward :( and has gaps in the lines, including the line ends around the > name label. > > Some behavior depends on the order I check boxes. For some experiments clear > all check boxes and then turn on some. > > The behavior I would have hoped for is this: > > * The border always grows outward. > * Adding the show name does not change the border or background; it just puts > a label over it. > * The background is in the back and extends consistently to either the inside > of the border, the middle of the border or outside edge of the border. The > background for the name label is the same as that for the group including the > opaque modifier, so a blip of background might extend above the top border. > This is noticeable only with show name. > * Except for a little blip around the label when opaque is on, nothing > obscures the content region. > * The label border is tight. > > A better way might be to crop out a hole in the current border and place the > name label there with a transparent background. Or layer them behind the > content, but above the background. > > So… > > I don’t seem to be doing something wrong. I need to look for a workaround. > > Thoughts (all involving keeping show name off): > > 1. I could put a small-margin label into the grouped controls so it fits just > inside the border in a consistent corner. > > 2 I can put an opaque label on top of my border. The background color might > be chosen to be that of the named group or that of its parent. I would have > to address moving the group. There might be 3 ways. a) Move the label by > hand. b) Add a script to do that. c) Put both label and my group into another > group, but then have to figure out “of” and “parent” in scripts. > > 3 Draw my own border and label as the group content. (However, something > seems to be weird with my rectangles on Windows.) > > 4. Any ideas you folks have. > > Dar > >> On Aug 21, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode >> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> I see those kind of changes (10.0.0DP5, MacOS), but the border changes from >> solid black to black/white lines - with those 'splits' you described. >> >> Alex. >> >> On 21/08/2023 01:50, Dar Scott via use-livecode wrote: >>> On Mac and LiveCode 9.6.9… >>> >>> Make a new stack. Put a few controls on it. Group them. >>> >>> Give the group a name >>> >>> Set the border width to something like 10-15 so the effect is visible. >>> >>> Turn off 3D. >>> Turn on border. >>> >>> Now, turn show name on and off. When show name is off, the border looks >>> good. When on, the border is goofy. >>> >>> On my machine, when show name is on, the border gets thinner, most times. >>> The ends of the border near the name is split into two lengths. The corners >>> are split and some of the splits are too short. There are gaps compared to >>> the pretty border when show name is off. >>> >>> Dar >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 19, 2023, at 11:07 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode >>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Weird how? The corners should be right angles. Do you see something >>>> different? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com >>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>>> On August 18, 2023 3:47:34 PM Dar Scott via use-livecode >>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If I turn off 3D for a group, the corners of the rectangle are weird. >>>>> Advice? — Dar >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
