On Aug 7, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Matt Richardson <m.richardson.1...@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
> I do like the idea of moving the window controls as you suggest, but the
> suggestion here was to move the indicators so that they fall outside of the
> window rectangle.
> I also agree that if users had a reasonable idea about system semantics then
> designing accordingly would mean design would match user expectation.
> My experience is that most users don't think about the system semantics. As
> an example, many people think of the office suite as a reason to choose an
> operating system, despite the fact that the office suite is not technically
> part of the operating system.
>
> Take that perspective on whether indicators should be moved outside the
> window rectangle and it's my opinion that most users would be more bothered
> by increasing the mouse travel distance than by semantically correct
> placement.
>
> Matt
>
> p.s. My use of the word 'surely' was simply a figure of speech. In future I
> will try to make it clear that I am expressing only my own opinion.
>
> On 08/08/12 00:43, Benjamin Bach wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2012, at 2:45 AM, Matt Richardson
>> <m.richardson.1...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > I often hear suggestions like this; about where something should be
>> > placed or how it should behave because it belongs to this or that
>> > technical part of the system, but surely something should be placed
>> > where it is most logical to place it in terms of user interaction, not
>> > system semantics.
>>
>> Not "surely". Just "maybe". There are not definitive answers.
>>
>> System semantics are important as well, because having a correct
>> understanding will guide the user's intuition.... blah blah blah.
>>
>> Anyways, here's an example of how to alter the top bar such that the title
>> of a window + its buttons will be correctly attached to the so-called
>> rectangle of the window, adhearing to those spacial ("gestalt") laws of UI
>> design -- without taking up more space:
>>
>> http://ge.tt/9qRlGgL/v/0?c
>>
>> - Ben
>>
>>
>
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I like how indicators are now.
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