On 29/04/12 21:04, Alan Bell wrote:
it says "do you want to upgrade?" and you can say yes or no to it. Clearly "yes" is the preferred option, but why shouldn't we encourage people to upgrade to new cool stuff that will make their experience better (which is the aim of it, sometimes that doesn't work out so well)?
Why? because some regular users like my 80+ year old friend (sadly now no longer with us) easily confuse an up'date' with an up'grade'. Whereas updates are usually fairly safe, upgrades are not. Upgrade and update sound similar and seem similar. They appear even in the same window in the same situation.
Some users are ordinary non technical people. Update or upgrade is all the same to them. One can consider that such ordinary human beings are, or are not, capable of using the first user account to have access to the admin level. My 92 year old relative, who only does online shopping and is closely administered by tech family members if changes are needed has a restricted account, but it is not appropriate for an independent active 84 year old who goes to windows club every week and uses Windows (was XP) routinely, and can and does expect to install stuff from say the ubuntu software centre when he needs to in his dual boot laptop.
There are strong moves to make Ubuntu good for a vast user base, but many existing users are diy users like my 80+ friend, and in terms of a discussion list like this one, they are novices and do not know what, say, a partition is, like most Windows users don't.
It is such users that will get tripped up by Upgrade vs Update. This is especially because the enthusiasm of our community and devs to encourage upgrades is aimed at the traditional enthusiast linux based os user, not the less competent joe or jane. Version upgrades are notified by default and the reason a health warning would be appropriate is because the least technical user is *likely* to fall for it, like my friend.
Or will we move to a discussion about the wrong sort of leaves on the track or the wrong sort of users for Ubuntu, I trust not. It is the sort of thing which will hopefully get addressed before too long, now that unity is finding its feet. But it is an important type of issue and it is something which (Windows etc) are well versed at, although they have a knack of being condescending, and somehow untrustworthy.
This danger of 'relatively little knowledge' only exists in some areas, not all. Many aspects of Ubuntu really are very good for novices, I have many examples.
However because the main user base currently has to self install, the less-technical end of this group can get trouble from information intended mostly for more experienced users.
Not an upgrade situation: but a novice danger example was ubuntu 10.10 cd where one of the options for install caused loss of all the other partitions on the disc. This problem was a severe problem, but fortunately relatively few people chose the problem option. Of course, I did (!) and lost multiple OS's on the test machine, but then I had images. The problem remained unchanged throughout the life of 10.10. Even Mint had the same bug, they did not seem to think it important! My point here is that although such problems can be coped with by techy enthusiasts they are much more serious for novice but slightly adventurous Windows users, who have may have been encouraged by friends.
The sort of trouble that some users can get themselves into - a type of user that we deliberately are aiming to increase in numbers - continues to need a type of design vigilance which is a bit unusual in the GNU/Linux world.
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