** Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-30 09:50]:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 09:39:44AM +0100, Alec Wright wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 08:30 +0000, Alan Pope wrote:
> > > Hi Chris,
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 08:45:40AM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
> > > > This bug has been driving me round the bend now for three releases of
> > > > Ubuntu. Edgy, Feisty and Gutsy. I really don't know why it isn't
> > > > getting fixed, any ideas?
> > > 
> > > Get a better supported network card? :S
> > 
> > But surely we want to encourage as many people as possible to use
> > ubuntu. You wouldn't want to get a new network card for linux, would
> > you? It's easier to add a few lines to code to network manager.
> 
> You also want to encourage hardware vendors to make cards that have nice 
> open drivers that dont require stupid kludges like madwifi and ndiswrapper 
> to make them work.
> 
> (stupid as in architecturally insane, not stupid as in bad code)
> 
> The best way to make a hardware vendor notice these things is to _not_ buy 
> their kit in the first place - vote with your wallet. I bought a laptop 
> which is intel throughout, no nvidia, no ati, no bonkers network stuff.
> 
> This of course doesn't help everyone, I am just stuggesting that the device 
> in question isn't a lost cause, a plugin pcmcia/usb wireless adapter could 
> be used to overcome the current bug/hurdle.
** end quote [Alan Pope]

This seems to be a particular problem in the wireless hardware market it
seems. I've been trying to get my head around supported wireless cards
for Linux and ended up going round in circles. OK I'm not helped by
having more than a couple of existing NICs that I'd like to use, but
picking a card is far from easy - you can't easily quote a manufacturer
of card or chipset that is a safe bet. Intel aren't bad, but even they
have chipsets that you'd want to avoid. Atheros seem to be a pretty fair
second perhaps. Again I am probably hampered by wanting WPA support
which appears to be like gold dust in a native Linux driver.

I have 2 3Com, 1 DLink, 1 USR and 1 Linksys card to try out. One of the
3Com has native support without WPA and the Linksys works with the
MadWifi driver. I'm still hoping to come to a solution for the rest (2
RaLink and one TI chipset by the looks of things, but none work out of
the box with Ubunutu) if nothing else but to document things. I'm also
still trying to settle on a MiniPCI card for my aging laptop, but so far
without enough confidence in any single card I've seen to spend any cash
on anything.

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