I can agree there. Having a Desktop (or "desktop mode") by default would not be good, but I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to install it (one way or another).
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:03, Ian Nicholson <i...@binaryash.net> wrote: > Bottom line, we have a way to provide a default list of apps while still > allowing advanced users the ability to customize their system as they wish. > Is that a satisfactory solution for everyone? > > > > > Sent from my Palm Pre > ________________________________ > On Nov 29, 2011 22:11, Thomas Mashos <tho...@mashos.com> wrote: > > That's not 100% accurate. You still would have multiple packages (one > for desktop, one for ubuntutv), otherwise you are making every user > download more than they need and everything gets bloated. You could > have a single code base as well, as a single source package can create > multiple binary packages. > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Ian Santopietro <isan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> That's the big one, but it also takes a lot of load off of the servers, >> since you only need one copy of the package. >> >> On Nov 29, 2011 9:04 PM, "Ian Nicholson" <i...@binaryash.net> wrote: >>> >>> On 11/29/2011 10:01 PM, Ian Santopietro wrote: >>> >>> We could use a custom flag in DEBIAN/control or something in software >>> center to mark Apps as TV friendly. This would cover the majority of >>> games, >>> plus any apps with an interface specifically for TV. This would allow for >>> an >>> App to have two interfaces (this is defined in Gnome 3), without >>> requiring >>> separate packages or code bases. That way we could add in an option to >>> software center to allow the installation of "desktop apps". That might >>> be a >>> better option that using separate repositories, though it would require >>> extra effort on the part of the repository maintainer. >>> >>> On Nov 29, 2011 7:59 PM, "Ian Nicholson" <i...@binaryash.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 11/29/2011 08:50 PM, Ian Santopietro wrote: >>>> >>>> > Other Ian - What do you mean when you say "desktop functionality"? >>>> >>>> I mean having a full desktop environment, and access to apps that >>>> haven't >>>> been optimized for TVs. >>>> >>>> On Nov 29, 2011 5:36 PM, "Ian Nicholson" <i...@binaryash.net> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Other Ian - What do you mean when you say "desktop functionality"? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Sent from my Palm Pre >>>> > ________________________________ >>>> > On Nov 29, 2011 18:09, Ian Santopietro <isan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > What happened to Ubuntu One? I never said they'd be independent, I >>>> > said they'd function differently from each other, since most users >>>> > will use a TV for different things from what they use their computer >>>> > for. But everything would be linked to their Ubuntu One Cloud. Nothing >>>> > would necessarily be independent. Being connected to a personal >>>> > network doesn't mean it needs to function exactly identically to, or >>>> > even have the option to function exactly identically to, a desktop >>>> > computer. They have to access the same content, and synchronize >>>> > progress through this content. Once you download a movie to your >>>> > desktop, you can start watching it on the TV, and finish form the >>>> > place you left off on your laptop before bed. Once you start listening >>>> > to music on the TV, you can move over to your smartphone and drive to >>>> > work without losing your place in the song. Complete and total system >>>> > integration with Ubuntu One; and wrapping it up in a comfortable, >>>> > simple to use 10ft UI; is where Ubuntu TV really has the possibility >>>> > to shine and succeed, not by emulating Desktop functionality. >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:20, Jo-Erlend Schinstad >>>> > <joerlend.schins...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > > I give up. >>>> > > >>>> > > Creating independent Ubuntu appliances makes no sense to me. I won't >>>> > > buy >>>> > > something like that just because it has an Ubuntu sticker on it. >>>> > > It's >>>> > > either >>>> > > a part of my personal network, or it's not. If it's not, then I'd >>>> > > rather >>>> > > purchase one from Samsung or LG or something. Single user, one >>>> > > process, >>>> > > unconnected... >>>> > > >>>> > > That's not my cup of tea. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Jo-Erlend Schinstad >>>> > > >>>> > > -- >>>> > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv >>>> > > Post to : ubuntu-tv@lists.launchpad.net >>>> > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv >>>> > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Ian Santopietro >>>> > >>>> > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. >>>> > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html >>>> > >>>> > "Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast >>>> > Ofer middangeard monnum sended" >>>> > >>>> > Pa gur yv y porthaur? >>>> > >>>> > Public GPG key (RSA): >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x412F52DB1BBF1234 >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv >>>> > Post to : ubuntu-tv@lists.launchpad.net >>>> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv >>>> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>>> Ah I see. This has been something I've been considering, why don't we >>>> just have a special repo for UbuntuTV, and then allow the users to >>>> enable >>>> the other repos as they wish, once they've been warned that it's not >>>> optimal? >>>> That way we could leverage the Software Center as a way to install >>>> applications like games. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv >>>> Post to : ubuntu-tv@lists.launchpad.net >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>> So it seems like the main advantage is that it would mean only one code >>> base that the developers would have worry about. Is that a valid >>> assessment? >> >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv >> Post to : ubuntu-tv@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > > > -- > Thomas Mashos -- Ian Santopietro Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html "Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast Ofer middangeard monnum sended" Pa gur yv y porthaur? Public GPG key (RSA): http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x412F52DB1BBF1234 -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv Post to : ubuntu-tv@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
