Nicholas and list,

On May 27, 2014 6:09 PM, "Nicholas Skaggs" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> On 05/27/2014 03:51 PM, C de-Avillez wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 27/05/14 16:56, C de-Avillez wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A technical opinion on a technical issue will rule out every other
>>>> opinion until proved wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> Summarizing: for confirming this bug, you need to provide a series of
steps
>>> that will break GRUB consistently.
>>>
>>> Till then the appropriate status for the report is "opinion".
>>>
>> Actually, even then I would rather have a new bug opened. This one is
>> done and gone :-)
>>
> Well, I've been under the weather and traveling and didn't see this post
until now. Many thanks to those level-headed folks who stepped into the
discussion here.
>
> As to the bug, if it is affecting you, the best thing you can do is to
recreate the problem. After the problem has happened again, use ubuntu-bug
to file a new bug and describe how you arrived at the problem. Try and
simplify creating the problem to isolate what is triggering it. This is all
work you as an end-user can do that greatly helps a developer actually
solve the bug. The next time a bug of yours is marked as invalid or
opinion, take that as an oppurtunity to file a more complete bug report
that will allow someone to properly confirm it; learn from it. Instead of
attacking a developer, ask someone to help you understand what data is
missing / needed and how you can obtain it. Stay constructive!

Not to gainsay Nicholas or anyone else but one important thing to keep in
mind here is that this problem / configuration error / whatever BORKS the
machine, if I am reading correctly.

Ie no friendly Ubuntu environment to run ubuntu-bug or any of those other
great diagnostic tools.

So in this kind of situation when someone is panicking because their newly
upgraded computer now fails to boot, it seems to me worthwhile to have some
kind of help to get them through the rough patch.

Just my 2ยข worth.
>
> Finally, it's important to heed the advice of those who can help you. As
Scott side, software can be furstrating, and working within a community can
be too. Let's keep the CoC in mind; we are all here because we care about
making ubuntu better.
>

+1 to that.
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