Well, that might be a part of something. But I would really like to see it as a part of bigger, convergence project...
2017-04-06 16:01 GMT+02:00 Kristijan Žic <kristijan....@gmail.com>: > Some good news: http://www.unity8.org/ > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 1:05 PM Piotrek Mitana <the.mail.of....@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I don't think moving from Snap to Flatpack will be the best idea. With >> this we would lose the base of Ubuntu Core, which is all about snaps. We >> could stick to deb base, but Ubuntu Core in my opinion wonderfully >> separates the layers - kernel is one snap, additional hardware support is >> the second (gadget snap) and the OS core functionality and libraries are >> the third (OS snap). At least if I understand the idea of Ubuntu Core >> correctly. Well played in case of OTA updates and supporting multiple >> devices. >> >> Having Ubuntu Core as base may be very helpful, as is sill - and from now >> on even more - comercially backed by Canonical. This increases chances that >> one day a hardware manufacturer would commercially release the device with >> Ubuntu Core and Unity OS on top of it. >> >> And with Ubuntu Core the base is already here - for desktop we do have >> Ubuntu Core and Unity 8 snap session. I don't know it Unity 8 snap is >> runnable using Ubuntu Core itself (and not the deb-based Ubuntu Desktop >> with the snap session started). >> >> Snaps gained some traction in the community. We have VLC, I think Mozilla >> mentioned somewhere that it might create a Firefox snap sometime, and some >> other desktop apps are snapped as well. Not bad. Even some KDE apps are >> snapped and there is KDE Frameworks snap which might be a starting point to >> offer Plasma Active as well. >> >> The new OS can and in my opinion should still be all about Ubuntu. Let's >> correct some mistakes done before, but take all the bits that are still >> alive and have in mind that Canoncal's work can still be a big help in >> terms of the core. >> >> 2017-04-06 11:49 GMT+02:00 Andrew Penkrat <penkr...@gmail.com>: >> >>> +1 for every point. I'd also suggest to consider using flatpak instead >>> of snaps, but not sure if it's reasonable. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Andrew Penkrat >>> >>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 at 10:48 Piotrek Mitana <the.mail.of....@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, I'm new to here. >>>> >>>> Although I've not been active on mailing lists and on Google+, I've >>>> been eagerly observing the Ubuntu Touch from the very beginning. I've also >>>> bought a Meizu Pro 5 Ubuntu a few months ago and I am generally happy with >>>> it (apart from some irritating bugs that Canonical never managed to fix - >>>> mostly unreliable network connection and bettery-draining Wi-Fi). >>>> >>>> From the observations I would like to share my idea on how I see the >>>> future for... well, let's call it Unity. Unity OS, Unity Desktop, Unity >>>> Phone, whatever. I don't think I can help with development - at least not >>>> now. But I hope that my voice expressed here will be able to get to the >>>> developers that want to stay and help them find the way for the project. >>>> I've also posted this on UbPorts forum, so that maybe it is more likely to >>>> make its way to the devs. >>>> >>>> ## Let's still fight for convergence! >>>> Yes. This is in my opinion the biggest selling point of Ubuntu Phones. >>>> It's something new - something that others don't have yet. Ubuntu and Linux >>>> in general has lots of great desktop aplications. The vision of having a PC >>>> in our pockets it far too exciting to give it up. >>>> >>>> ## Ubuntu Core can still be a base >>>> I believe that so-called Unity OS shouldn't part with Ubuntu. Canonical >>>> is still pursuing the Ubuntu Core and Snaps and after leaving the phone and >>>> tablet they will pursue that even faster. It's IoT what they chosen to >>>> start earn bigger money on and Canonical's IoT is all about Ubuntu Core and >>>> Snaps. >>>> >>>> ### The hardware >>>> This implies two things: there are and will be devices and chips >>>> OFFICIALLY supported by snaps. There is Raspberry Pi, there is Dragonboard >>>> (so it's a Qualcomm Snapdragon in fact - not too far away from phones!). >>>> This is why I believe the new devs should continue on what Canonical >>>> started and not finished - moving the Ubuntu Phone and Tablet to Ubuntu >>>> Core and Snaps. >>>> >>>> ### Ubuntu Personal >>>> Also I believe that Ubuntu Personal concept (snap based desktop) should >>>> still be on the list, so the "One OS to rule them all" still can be >>>> created. I believe that snaps have still the potential to make up a secure >>>> and reliable desktop with nice permission and dependency management that >>>> Snap introduces. >>>> >>>> ### Clicks and debs are not an option >>>> Why? Well, click was kind of beta for snaps. Canonical decied to move >>>> away from this because they decided to create something better. And snaps >>>> are what Canonical wants to give to the larger community, not only Ubuntu. >>>> >>>> Why not debs? To have the proper system images, OTA updates and a >>>> possibility to lock the system partition. Without that probably no OEM ever >>>> would consider the system reliable enough to put it on production device. >>>> And well, commercial app developers will not want to care about the >>>> dependencies in debs. >>>> >>>> ## The true Unity leads to Wayland >>>> And here is the - what the history has shown - the Canonical's biggest >>>> mistake: Mir. This is what put away the rest of the Linux community and >>>> what created the most conflicts and hatered. Moving Unity to Wayland can >>>> give you more traction and more developers willing to contribute to the >>>> true Unity on phone. And there is one more thing that community had the >>>> problem with and now you can ditch: Contributor License Agreement. >>>> >>>> ## Unity 8 >>>> The concept of Unity 8 is pretty good for all the phones tablets and >>>> desktop. I really like many features of it and the general concept of phone >>>> navigation. Also the scopes are a good concept - but they need to start >>>> working much faster and better. Let's make them ALL freely installable, so >>>> that anyone could install only those he uses. That will generate some >>>> benefits: >>>> >>>> * The community will not hate us for forcing scopes on users >>>> * The OEM's could install their scopes of their choice by default - >>>> customization, ability to sell things with this - more likely to >>>> comercially back the Unity OS. >>>> * Well, the scopes developed to work well would be a wonderful way to >>>> interact with the content. >>>> >>>> And there is one more - Suru design. Ubuntu's font, paperlike themes >>>> and iconset. Please do not ditch that as Unity 8 looks really well and the >>>> theme, icons and design language is really nice! >>>> >>>> ## Not only Unity 8 >>>> As snaps have actually gained some adoption, they can be used to get on >>>> Ubuntu Core not only Unity, but KDE and Plasma Active for example - and >>>> maybe other DE's as well. A Wayland on top of Ubuntu Core can create a >>>> wonderful base for both Unity and Plasma Active. Let's reach the hand to >>>> Plasma Active developers, offer them Snaps and Ubuntu Core as base. Maybe >>>> they will help in getting Core and Wayland on phones and it would lead us >>>> to the common goal - having both Unity and Plasma Active on the phones. And >>>> being able to replace one with another with just a snap swap! >>>> >>>> ## Ubuntu SDK >>>> Yet another thing to keep. There is a bunch of cool apps creating with >>>> it (Dekko, uNav and more) to be kept. It still may help to reach the >>>> convergene goal. >>>> >>>> ## To sum up >>>> So what do we have now? We have Ubuntu Core, we have Snaps and we have >>>> Wayland. We have the communities that will develop those and offload the >>>> Unity OS's dev team, so that they don't have to develop the entire OS >>>> alone. Maybe we have Mir (if Canonical still wants to push it to Ubuntu >>>> Core devices), but without Canonical it won't make sense. >>>> >>>> So let's take care of Unity 8 and Ubuntu SDK, move it further toward >>>> snappification and Ubuntu Core, make a switch to Wayland and pursue the >>>> convergence further. >>>> >>>> So this is how I see it. Let's create the true Unity - untiy of >>>> community with Wayland and the unity of platforms with Convergence. I still >>>> keep my fingers crossed for you, guys. And maybe someday I will be able to >>>> jump in as well? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Piotr Mitana >>>> -- >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > -- > > Kristijan Žic >
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