Some good news: http://www.unity8.org/
On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 1:05 PM Piotrek Mitana <the.mail.of....@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think moving from Snap to Flatpack will be the best idea. With > this we would lose the base of Ubuntu Core, which is all about snaps. We > could stick to deb base, but Ubuntu Core in my opinion wonderfully > separates the layers - kernel is one snap, additional hardware support is > the second (gadget snap) and the OS core functionality and libraries are > the third (OS snap). At least if I understand the idea of Ubuntu Core > correctly. Well played in case of OTA updates and supporting multiple > devices. > > Having Ubuntu Core as base may be very helpful, as is sill - and from now > on even more - comercially backed by Canonical. This increases chances that > one day a hardware manufacturer would commercially release the device with > Ubuntu Core and Unity OS on top of it. > > And with Ubuntu Core the base is already here - for desktop we do have > Ubuntu Core and Unity 8 snap session. I don't know it Unity 8 snap is > runnable using Ubuntu Core itself (and not the deb-based Ubuntu Desktop > with the snap session started). > > Snaps gained some traction in the community. We have VLC, I think Mozilla > mentioned somewhere that it might create a Firefox snap sometime, and some > other desktop apps are snapped as well. Not bad. Even some KDE apps are > snapped and there is KDE Frameworks snap which might be a starting point to > offer Plasma Active as well. > > The new OS can and in my opinion should still be all about Ubuntu. Let's > correct some mistakes done before, but take all the bits that are still > alive and have in mind that Canoncal's work can still be a big help in > terms of the core. > > 2017-04-06 11:49 GMT+02:00 Andrew Penkrat <penkr...@gmail.com>: > >> +1 for every point. I'd also suggest to consider using flatpak instead of >> snaps, but not sure if it's reasonable. >> >> Regards, >> Andrew Penkrat >> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 at 10:48 Piotrek Mitana <the.mail.of....@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, I'm new to here. >>> >>> Although I've not been active on mailing lists and on Google+, I've been >>> eagerly observing the Ubuntu Touch from the very beginning. I've also >>> bought a Meizu Pro 5 Ubuntu a few months ago and I am generally happy with >>> it (apart from some irritating bugs that Canonical never managed to fix - >>> mostly unreliable network connection and bettery-draining Wi-Fi). >>> >>> From the observations I would like to share my idea on how I see the >>> future for... well, let's call it Unity. Unity OS, Unity Desktop, Unity >>> Phone, whatever. I don't think I can help with development - at least not >>> now. But I hope that my voice expressed here will be able to get to the >>> developers that want to stay and help them find the way for the project. >>> I've also posted this on UbPorts forum, so that maybe it is more likely to >>> make its way to the devs. >>> >>> ## Let's still fight for convergence! >>> Yes. This is in my opinion the biggest selling point of Ubuntu Phones. >>> It's something new - something that others don't have yet. Ubuntu and Linux >>> in general has lots of great desktop aplications. The vision of having a PC >>> in our pockets it far too exciting to give it up. >>> >>> ## Ubuntu Core can still be a base >>> I believe that so-called Unity OS shouldn't part with Ubuntu. Canonical >>> is still pursuing the Ubuntu Core and Snaps and after leaving the phone and >>> tablet they will pursue that even faster. It's IoT what they chosen to >>> start earn bigger money on and Canonical's IoT is all about Ubuntu Core and >>> Snaps. >>> >>> ### The hardware >>> This implies two things: there are and will be devices and chips >>> OFFICIALLY supported by snaps. There is Raspberry Pi, there is Dragonboard >>> (so it's a Qualcomm Snapdragon in fact - not too far away from phones!). >>> This is why I believe the new devs should continue on what Canonical >>> started and not finished - moving the Ubuntu Phone and Tablet to Ubuntu >>> Core and Snaps. >>> >>> ### Ubuntu Personal >>> Also I believe that Ubuntu Personal concept (snap based desktop) should >>> still be on the list, so the "One OS to rule them all" still can be >>> created. I believe that snaps have still the potential to make up a secure >>> and reliable desktop with nice permission and dependency management that >>> Snap introduces. >>> >>> ### Clicks and debs are not an option >>> Why? Well, click was kind of beta for snaps. Canonical decied to move >>> away from this because they decided to create something better. And snaps >>> are what Canonical wants to give to the larger community, not only Ubuntu. >>> >>> Why not debs? To have the proper system images, OTA updates and a >>> possibility to lock the system partition. Without that probably no OEM ever >>> would consider the system reliable enough to put it on production device. >>> And well, commercial app developers will not want to care about the >>> dependencies in debs. >>> >>> ## The true Unity leads to Wayland >>> And here is the - what the history has shown - the Canonical's biggest >>> mistake: Mir. This is what put away the rest of the Linux community and >>> what created the most conflicts and hatered. Moving Unity to Wayland can >>> give you more traction and more developers willing to contribute to the >>> true Unity on phone. And there is one more thing that community had the >>> problem with and now you can ditch: Contributor License Agreement. >>> >>> ## Unity 8 >>> The concept of Unity 8 is pretty good for all the phones tablets and >>> desktop. I really like many features of it and the general concept of phone >>> navigation. Also the scopes are a good concept - but they need to start >>> working much faster and better. Let's make them ALL freely installable, so >>> that anyone could install only those he uses. That will generate some >>> benefits: >>> >>> * The community will not hate us for forcing scopes on users >>> * The OEM's could install their scopes of their choice by default - >>> customization, ability to sell things with this - more likely to >>> comercially back the Unity OS. >>> * Well, the scopes developed to work well would be a wonderful way to >>> interact with the content. >>> >>> And there is one more - Suru design. Ubuntu's font, paperlike themes and >>> iconset. Please do not ditch that as Unity 8 looks really well and the >>> theme, icons and design language is really nice! >>> >>> ## Not only Unity 8 >>> As snaps have actually gained some adoption, they can be used to get on >>> Ubuntu Core not only Unity, but KDE and Plasma Active for example - and >>> maybe other DE's as well. A Wayland on top of Ubuntu Core can create a >>> wonderful base for both Unity and Plasma Active. Let's reach the hand to >>> Plasma Active developers, offer them Snaps and Ubuntu Core as base. Maybe >>> they will help in getting Core and Wayland on phones and it would lead us >>> to the common goal - having both Unity and Plasma Active on the phones. And >>> being able to replace one with another with just a snap swap! >>> >>> ## Ubuntu SDK >>> Yet another thing to keep. There is a bunch of cool apps creating with >>> it (Dekko, uNav and more) to be kept. It still may help to reach the >>> convergene goal. >>> >>> ## To sum up >>> So what do we have now? We have Ubuntu Core, we have Snaps and we have >>> Wayland. We have the communities that will develop those and offload the >>> Unity OS's dev team, so that they don't have to develop the entire OS >>> alone. Maybe we have Mir (if Canonical still wants to push it to Ubuntu >>> Core devices), but without Canonical it won't make sense. >>> >>> So let's take care of Unity 8 and Ubuntu SDK, move it further toward >>> snappification and Ubuntu Core, make a switch to Wayland and pursue the >>> convergence further. >>> >>> So this is how I see it. Let's create the true Unity - untiy of >>> community with Wayland and the unity of platforms with Convergence. I still >>> keep my fingers crossed for you, guys. And maybe someday I will be able to >>> jump in as well? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Piotr Mitana >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >> > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- Kristijan Žic
-- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
