main problems with the cius:
"unremarkable and overpriced"

http://www.pcworld.com/article/256307/r_i_p_cisco_cius_another_tablet_bites_the_dust.html

In comparison Canonical addressed most of 
that:http://iloveubuntu.net/pictures_me/ubuntu%20edge%20comparison%20.png

Anyway they haven't given up:http://iloveubuntu.net/tags/ubuntu-edge

But if they can't offer perks in the high demand price range and make it 
accessible for a wider audience to jump in time to back this, then it will be 
almost impossible to hit the goal or even come close enough..


From: dralanmil...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:25:42 +0800
To: mttbrns...@outlook.com
CC: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Edge (constructive criticism/advice on       
Canonical's approach)

"I have never learned anything from any man who agreed with me,".. Dudley Field 
Malone (1882-1950)
I personally do not think Edge will succeed in raising more than 20Million (but 
I really hope I am wrong), I will of course be disappointed like everyone else, 
but the world will not end.BUT I would be bitterly (emphasis) disappointed in 
Canonical if they took this lying down. A huge number of people have put money 
on the table in an unprecedented show of faith that they want Ubuntu to succeed 
on a mobile, and Canonical really should take that as a clear message and 
opportunity. But has Canonical grasped what that message is ?
I am not a particular believer in convergence, for the same reason I know Cisco 
Cius converged phone/tablet concept is a dead donkey, but I do strongly believe 
in the need for an open source mobile phone.I am not a particular fan of Unity 
on the desktop either, not when I have OSX, but on a phone I think  Unity is 
truly  excellent.
I own perhaps a dozen different phones, my iPhone has given me enormous 
enjoyment ever since it first came out, but much as I love Apple products, the 
love of my iPhone has been tarnished somewhat by Apples (and others)  lack of 
respect towards  end users.When Apple were caught Location tracking everyone 
covertly, and even after the uproar about it, they simply slid it back in later 
better hidden when no one was looking hence the arrogance that comes  so often 
with closed source.We won't go into CarrierIQ that our friends in the US have 
to put up with…or even Fin Fisher or even anything Snowden has to say. Closed 
source is bad, that's about all we need to say. As for Android, well although 
somewhat open,  its Google enough said… 
On the day Touch was released, like many, I ran out and bought a nexus 4 just 
so that I could religiously type phablet-update every night waiting for the day 
I could bury my iPhone at sea. I am still waiting, it is getting close to the 
day when I can actually use Ubuntu touch as a phone and that will be a happy 
day for sure.
BUT when I turn on my nexus 4 I still get that   GOOGLE on the screen, honestly 
it makes my skin crawl to see it, and do I know what the software in the modem 
actually does behind my back ? nope...
And this is my point, I do not believe I am alone in believing that it is NOT 
just the advanced platform concept of Edge that people are really supporting. 
Yes it would be really nice to have a platform more advanced than anyone else 
out there with cutting technology no one else has, but pushing the envelope is 
expensive.BUT do we REALLY need something so advanced that we need to raise 32 
Million USD in order to see it ?

I think a large part of the community  just want a VERY nicely designed quality 
phone that the community owns from top to bottom, every driver open source, 
every service open source, even the modem software all open source and able to 
be altered as the community sees fit. I  think people are supporting an OPEN 
SOURCE  mobile OS first and foremost and that this is more important to people 
than the latest hardware specs.  Just make it pretty but above all else make it 
OURS !
For this reason I really urge Canonical to do a rethink or at least go back and 
talk to the community.
It does not take 32 million USD to produce  a phone, I could walk into Huawei 
tomorrow in Bao'an  (and I know enough staff there to literally do that) and 
talk OEM. I know Canonical staff can do that as well and not just to Huawei, so 
there is no lack of options to do something.
How much processing power do we really need ? What's so bad with only having an 
advanced 1.5GHz quad core (the fastest in the world presently) ?Are we really 
saying a retooled case on a Huawei Ascend P2 4G LTE smartphone isn't good 
enough as a base OEM platform for Ubuntu  Edge (II) ?I own a P2,  its a great 
phone and an engineering marvel.
http://www.huaweidevice.com/worldwide/productFeatures.do?pinfoId=3526&directoryId=6001&treeId=3745&tab=0

So am I making sense to anyone, or am I just a lunatic for thinking any of this 
?




On 5 Aug, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Greg W <mttbrns...@outlook.com> wrote:Yes, I agree 
with you on all points :)

From: joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 23:17:39 +0200
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Edge (constructive criticism/advice on 
Canonical's approach)
To: mttbrns...@outlook.com
CC: joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com; ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net



On 4 August 2013 23:13, Greg W <mttbrns...@outlook.com> wrote:
Thanks :)

Canonical's influence on the Edge resulted in a great looking/sized/arranged 
phone. Hopefully Canonical will exert influence in a Huawei designed phone. I'm 
just reading a lot that makes it sound like Canonical will not bother with 
hardware design at all unless the Edge succeeds. Yet Canonical's influence on 
the design of the Edge is really impressive. So I hope Canonical will stay open 
to designing/influencing hardware design for at least one Ubuntu phone even if 
the Edge isn't successful.


Yes, that would be nice. Just to remove any doubt; I'm not employed by 
Canonical and I have no real reason to expect anything from Huawei. That's hope 
and nothing else. :)

In either case, even if they don't succeed this time, they might want to try 
again next year. I think the biggest mistake that was done, was not to tell the 
community about these plans ahead of the Indiegogo compaign. That would've 
allowed more people to prepare for it and set aside some cash. If at first you 
don't succeed, try and try again :)
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