My apologies for any "insult" you gleaned from my email. I don't think FOSS
users are poor nor did I in any way mean to say that people use FOSS because
they can't afford a proprietary option. I don't believe this at all and regret
that you came to this idea from what I wrote. My reference was that the
commercial devices tend to be more affordable because of the commercial
integration like "financing options" for free phones with contract, access to
old phones at big discount, payments for phone month to month, etc. It better
enables people to afford the devices even when they don't have a lot of money
all at once.
I get the "halo device." My emails' purpose was to argue the "halo device"
concept would meet greater success if the Edge as Phone was introduced first
and the "halo device" came next. And it would also allow people who can't
afford the "halo device" to have a similar designed (but less capable) phone.
Deepest apologies if any of this came across as an insult. I'm just trying to
put some of my thoughts out to the community if any of them help Canonical
succeed. Whenever I do this though it seems like I'm always walking on
eggshells to not "insult" or "piss" someone off despite my best efforts to be
courteous, respectful, and grateful for the opportunity to share my thoughts in
forums like this. I share your view that FOSS is superior software and that's
why so many choose to use it. I love FOSS and the people that make it.
I'm really impressed with the Canonical influenced design of the Edge. And it's
because I'm so impressed that it's disappointing to me that the Edge will "die"
if the campaign fails. It seems like a great design would be going to waste.
Everything I've read has said that if the campaign is not successful,
Canonical's influence on hardware design will be no more.
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 11:52:29 -0500
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Edge (constructive criticism/advice on
Canonical's approach)
From: coder...@gmail.com
To: mttbrns...@outlook.com
CC: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net; joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com
No, you missed the point entirely. This is a "halo device." Whether it sells a
single one is entirely irrelevant. Its purpose is not to sell in large
quantities, and it isn't meant for people who are short on cash. This is a
device meant for people who want the very best and have the money to get it.
And I will also say that it's rather insulting to suggest FOSS people do not
have much money. People don't use FOSS because they're poor. They use it
because it's better. Large swaths of the world pirate Windows because they
disagree about the superiority of FOSS. They don't have the money to buy
Windows, but they still use it. Lack of money is not a defining attribute if
the FOSS community by any means.
There will be dedicated Ubuntu phone hardware hitting the market next year,
from a variety of manufacturers. Convince one of them to make a device you
like. There are other fantastic designs besides the iPhone. The iPhone 5 is an
excellently designed piece of hardware, don't get me wrong, but it's not alone.
Sincerely,
Josh
On Aug 4, 2013 11:28 AM, "Greg W" <mttbrns...@outlook.com> wrote:
I didn't miss the point (Canonical is making an erroneous assumption about the
market--let me explain). I am aware of all the Ubuntu "supported models"
available on the market. But frankly, I don't like any of them.
The Edge design is unlike any of the Android phones (AKA supported models) on
the market. So I think it is Canonical that is missing the point by assuming
the Edge doesn't offer anything more than convergence over an "Android
container." My argument is that it does to such an extent that people will buy
it over current "Android container" offerings.
The only physical shell (size/container/design) I really like that is on the
mobile phone market today is the iPhone 5, and it cannot run Ubuntu. My primary
hardware criticism with the iPhone 5 is that it does not have stereo speakers.
The Edge does have stereo speakers and has similar design parameters to the
iPhone 5: roughly the same size, shape, similar speaker placement, button
arrangement, etc.
So as the market stands today I am faced with this dilemma: do I want to buy
the hardware-container I prefer or the software I prefer? With the Ubuntu Edge
Phone as an option, I could buy both the hardware-container I prefer & the
software I prefer.
Mobile Phones are different than Laptops/Desktop. You carry them around with
you all day in a pocket. And the shape/weight/thickness/shell-arrangement all
become important considerations that aren't as important for Laptops/Desktops.
I love open source, but I do not like Android, and I do not like any of the
hardware-containers Android offers.
From: joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 17:55:01 +0200
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Edge (constructive criticism/advice on
Canonical's approach)
To: mttbrns...@outlook.com
CC: estela...@hotmail.com; ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
You seem to have missed the point entirely. If you want an Ubuntu Phone, then
there are phones already available on the market. Supported models now, are LG
Nexux 4 and Samsung Nexus Galaxy. But there are many more unofficial ports.
The reason for the Ubuntu Edge was never to win the market or anything like
that. Canonical isn't a hardware company. The whole point was to create a phone
that was much more powerful than any phone that could realistically be launched
as a commercial product. It is supposed to be a means to try out _future_
hardware and to push all boundaries. Even a very low-spec smart-phone that you
describe, would have to be much more expensive than comparable models on the
market, simply because of the low number of devices that could be sold.
If what you want is for Canonical to become a hardware company and compete with
Samsung and Apple, then I don't think that's realistic. It's much better to
attract existing manufacturers who are already in the hardware game.
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