We should not do thing just because it looks " professional"... We should care for the user. It is not a big issue for people who have 1-5 GB Data limit on their plan but for the people who are below 1GB it is already a big deal. Ubuntu should not be doing because the other are doing the same thing. I'm for these settings: At the first start : let the user choose to use WiFi or Data (asking if we have a flatrate )
If the user choose to deactivate the 3G data, then at reboot Ubuntu shouldn't automatically get connected over 3G. If the user is not connected (no WiFi , no 3G) and tries to open a web browser, then Ubuntu should propose to activate a connection and it should be up to the user to interrupt the connection at any time. Am 11.07.2013 21:53 schrieb "Josh Leverette" <coder...@gmail.com>: > It doesn't look professional for it to *not* connect. The only solution > to this discussion that seems reasonable to me is to have the 1st boot > screen provide a two button UI where you can select to turn on mobile data > or to continue with it remaining turned off. > > My experience is that the default behavior on all smartphone OSes is to > have the mobile data turned on by default, unless it is a custom version of > Android that does the opposite. We could start with mobile data turned off, > but the very first thing we must do is to establish whether the user wants > to connect to data or not. > > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Benoît Legat <benoit.le...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I agree with Cyrille, in some case you don't even have free 3G but you >> can still use it, it is just so expensive. >> So if you phone starts the first time with 3G on, when you will be asked >> to set you calendars, emails and so on, it will synchronise on the 3G. >> At the beginning, it will be a complete new experience to user so they >> will first don't realise that 3G is on (or even know what 3G is). >> It will be easy to access from Network Manager anyway. >> >> I know a friend who tested Cyanogenmod which had 3G on on first start and >> he had the issue I just explained. >> He said that it's something that makes it not look professional and I >> agree that it is not a good idea. >> >> On 07/11/2013 06:02 PM, Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga wrote: >> >> I don't agree with that. I'm always connected. How does Network Manager >> know the Roaming is active? >> People expected it but don't what it cost. And at the end of the month >> they are surprise that they reached the limit or that their speed became >> slow. People know how to activate 3G. >> Am 11.07.2013 17:50 schrieb "Rasmus Eneman" <ras...@eneman.eu>: >> >>> If it didn't connect automatically a lot of people would complain >>> that mobile data isn't working. >>> We live in a connected world and most people expect to be connected by >>> default. >>> It should connect by default but be easily disconnectable however >>> roaming should >>> be disabled by default as that may be very expensive. >>> Data should also be easily to disable in the network indicator. >>> I haven't tried the version Bill mentions but I expect that is what I'm >>> thinking about. >>> >>> >>> 2013/7/11 Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga <cyri...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> I will say I hate this behavior on Android I boot up the phone and it >>>> automatically connects with 3G... >>>> By default Ubuntu should not connect the 3G data >>>> Am 11.07.2013 13:17 schrieb "Michael Zanetti" < >>>> michael.zane...@canonical.com>: >>>> >>>> Ok... glad you guys mentioned it... Would have been a big surprise on >>>>> my trip >>>>> to Spain tomorrow if the device establishes a data connection without >>>>> me even >>>>> knowing. >>>>> >>>>> Any hint how to disable the autoconnect feature and revert back to >>>>> manual >>>>> conections? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday 10 July 2013 09:09:19 Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote: >>>>> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Jono Bacon <j...@ubuntu.com> wrote: >>>>> > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Michael Zanetti < >>>>> > > >>>>> > > michael.zane...@canonical.com> wrote: >>>>> > >> Hi Sergio, >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> On Tuesday 09 July 2013 12:51:37 Sergio Schvezov wrote: >>>>> > >> > - Network Manager now automatically enables the data connection. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> Uh... That sounds scary. At least for people without a data >>>>> flatrate. >>>>> > >> Afaik >>>>> > >> there is no 3G indicator yet. How do I know if current traffic is >>>>> routed >>>>> > >> through >>>>> > >> WiFi or 3G data? >>>>> > >>>>> > When you're connected to Wifi, you're using Wifi. The routing >>>>> priority is >>>>> > made so that wifi is always preferred since it's "free". >>>>> > >>>>> > Otherwise you may be connected to 3G and in that case, you'll use 3G. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Agreed, might be best not to switch on by default until at least >>>>> there is >>>>> > > a switch. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Can anyone provide an update on when the switch is likely to land? >>>>> > >>>>> > There is a code branch with updates to the indicator to >>>>> enable/disable wifi >>>>> > and mobile data. I expect it would be landing soon. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > However, you can already control the behavior of NetworkManager via >>>>> nmcli, >>>>> > for instance: >>>>> > >>>>> > nmcli dev disconnect iface /ril_0 # disconnect the modem >>>>> interface >>>>> > (get offline) >>>>> > >>>>> > nmcli con up id <connection> # connect to the data network >>>>> (you >>>>> > need to provide the name of the connection[1] >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > [1] The name of the connection to bring up is a /, followed by a set >>>>> of >>>>> > numbers (your IMEI), followed by a / and "contextX" which is a value >>>>> > specific to connections available from your provider. The list can >>>>> be seen >>>>> > via the command: >>>>> > >>>>> > nmcli con >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards, >>>>> > >>>>> > Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu...@ubuntu.com> >>>>> > Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu...@gmail.com >>>>> > 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rasmus Eneman >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> > > > -- > Sincerely, > Josh > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >
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