I work a retail electronics job and having the data switched off by default is not a good thing to do. We sell Huawei pre-paid Android devices and they have switch off data by default and *anecdotally* we get a lot of customers coming in asking why their internet doesn't work on the phone. I then have to show them to pull down the notifications shade and hit the data switch.
Now, that is anecdotal, but that's JUST the people *I* encounter out of those that come back *to the store* for help. How many call in the carrier and complain about this "feature"? On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Mark Guthrie <mguthri...@gmail.com> wrote: > We could do something similar to android where the first boot you are > asked to setup WiFi connection but if the user selects no ask if the user > would like to turn on mobile data. > On Jul 11, 2013 2:53 PM, "Josh Leverette" <coder...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It doesn't look professional for it to *not* connect. The only solution >> to this discussion that seems reasonable to me is to have the 1st boot >> screen provide a two button UI where you can select to turn on mobile data >> or to continue with it remaining turned off. >> >> My experience is that the default behavior on all smartphone OSes is to >> have the mobile data turned on by default, unless it is a custom version of >> Android that does the opposite. We could start with mobile data turned off, >> but the very first thing we must do is to establish whether the user wants >> to connect to data or not. >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Benoît Legat <benoit.le...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> I agree with Cyrille, in some case you don't even have free 3G but you >>> can still use it, it is just so expensive. >>> So if you phone starts the first time with 3G on, when you will be asked >>> to set you calendars, emails and so on, it will synchronise on the 3G. >>> At the beginning, it will be a complete new experience to user so they >>> will first don't realise that 3G is on (or even know what 3G is). >>> It will be easy to access from Network Manager anyway. >>> >>> I know a friend who tested Cyanogenmod which had 3G on on first start >>> and he had the issue I just explained. >>> He said that it's something that makes it not look professional and I >>> agree that it is not a good idea. >>> >>> On 07/11/2013 06:02 PM, Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga wrote: >>> >>> I don't agree with that. I'm always connected. How does Network Manager >>> know the Roaming is active? >>> People expected it but don't what it cost. And at the end of the month >>> they are surprise that they reached the limit or that their speed became >>> slow. People know how to activate 3G. >>> Am 11.07.2013 17:50 schrieb "Rasmus Eneman" <ras...@eneman.eu>: >>> >>>> If it didn't connect automatically a lot of people would complain >>>> that mobile data isn't working. >>>> We live in a connected world and most people expect to be connected by >>>> default. >>>> It should connect by default but be easily disconnectable however >>>> roaming should >>>> be disabled by default as that may be very expensive. >>>> Data should also be easily to disable in the network indicator. >>>> I haven't tried the version Bill mentions but I expect that is what >>>> I'm thinking about. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/7/11 Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga <cyri...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>>> I will say I hate this behavior on Android I boot up the phone and it >>>>> automatically connects with 3G... >>>>> By default Ubuntu should not connect the 3G data >>>>> Am 11.07.2013 13:17 schrieb "Michael Zanetti" < >>>>> michael.zane...@canonical.com>: >>>>> >>>>> Ok... glad you guys mentioned it... Would have been a big surprise on >>>>>> my trip >>>>>> to Spain tomorrow if the device establishes a data connection without >>>>>> me even >>>>>> knowing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any hint how to disable the autoconnect feature and revert back to >>>>>> manual >>>>>> conections? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday 10 July 2013 09:09:19 Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote: >>>>>> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Jono Bacon <j...@ubuntu.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Michael Zanetti < >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > michael.zane...@canonical.com> wrote: >>>>>> > >> Hi Sergio, >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> On Tuesday 09 July 2013 12:51:37 Sergio Schvezov wrote: >>>>>> > >> > - Network Manager now automatically enables the data >>>>>> connection. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Uh... That sounds scary. At least for people without a data >>>>>> flatrate. >>>>>> > >> Afaik >>>>>> > >> there is no 3G indicator yet. How do I know if current traffic >>>>>> is routed >>>>>> > >> through >>>>>> > >> WiFi or 3G data? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > When you're connected to Wifi, you're using Wifi. The routing >>>>>> priority is >>>>>> > made so that wifi is always preferred since it's "free". >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Otherwise you may be connected to 3G and in that case, you'll use >>>>>> 3G. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > Agreed, might be best not to switch on by default until at least >>>>>> there is >>>>>> > > a switch. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Can anyone provide an update on when the switch is likely to land? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > There is a code branch with updates to the indicator to >>>>>> enable/disable wifi >>>>>> > and mobile data. I expect it would be landing soon. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > However, you can already control the behavior of NetworkManager via >>>>>> nmcli, >>>>>> > for instance: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > nmcli dev disconnect iface /ril_0 # disconnect the modem >>>>>> interface >>>>>> > (get offline) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > nmcli con up id <connection> # connect to the data network >>>>>> (you >>>>>> > need to provide the name of the connection[1] >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > [1] The name of the connection to bring up is a /, followed by a >>>>>> set of >>>>>> > numbers (your IMEI), followed by a / and "contextX" which is a value >>>>>> > specific to connections available from your provider. The list can >>>>>> be seen >>>>>> > via the command: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > nmcli con >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Regards, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu...@ubuntu.com> >>>>>> > Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu...@gmail.com >>>>>> > 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rasmus Eneman >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> Josh >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >
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