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Vid Ayer wrote:
>
> If I understand correctly, the point being made is : If a commercial
> initiative like your Shipping proposal is endorsed and promoted (via
> the wiki or other community resources) who is to stop *anyone
> (including commercial companies)* from promoting their resources on
> our community wiki which has largely only relied on the good-will of
> volunteers. That is a dangerous area, best avoided.
>
Not sure about the correctness of your logic. We have DIY pages and
DIY material. These stickers are such DIY material - the entire set
and all the half-dones etc. can be found here:
http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Stickers/
Anyone can download these there, and that's one of the missions of
Spreadubuntu.

Now I believe spreadubuntu, when offering these for download, could at
the same time say, 'if you don't want or cannot download and print
these yourself, some people of the community are also offering some of
these materials for sale. To see a list of these, click here.' It
wouldn't make sense not to. Just like ubuntu.com offers paid support.

Now I see no risk in that, it's clearly stated that it's _only_ the
material that's there, that we _want_ people to download and print,
and we _want_ there to be lots of 'out there'. Now if everyone is to
print their own batch of 100 stickers, the whole community loses
money, compared to when a single person creates a larger batch and
allows the community to use it as well if they contribute financially
too. I don't see anyone worring that *anyone (including commercial
companies)* would advertise in the paid support section?

Preventing such an effort, or out-lawing it, pushing away form the
community, is incredibly counter-productive and short sighted, IMHO.
Please do come up with a _better_ way of getting printed materials out
there. Without financial investment? Without risk of loss or profit?
Sure, if you come up with one, I'm all for it. Please be constructive,
not destructive.

OTOH, if it is considered inappropriate to have a 'if you wish, you
can order printed ones for price of printing and shipping here' on the
wiki, it can be removed. Have a look at the back of the Ubuntu CD,
though. Canonical ships source code for price of shipping and media
(and so should anyone publishing GPL code/material).

Jenda
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