Bigger group of users can be Unity users: not people wanting Gnome but wanting any desktop with minimal change to aspect and behaviour. If number of people determines the "importance" of the group, you mean dropping Gnome experience to satisfy Unity-like experience. This is not a matter for a UbuntuGnome team but for a DefaultUbuntu team, and it's not the same.
Ubuntu-GNOME users aren't same group as Ubuntu-Default users. Current policy wants to move Gnome (old or new) users to Unity 8.1 dropping their selected desktop. A very very important principle: UbuntuGnome users did choose this flavour mostly because they prefer stock Gnome than Unity default flavour. El 26/01/18 a les 14:10, Jeremy Bicha ha escrit: > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:15 AM, Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote: >> ubuntu-gnome-desktop depends on an hybrid between Ubuntu-Gnome and >> Ubuntu-Unity. >> This package should depend only on vanilla-gnome-desktop, or just >> vanilla-gnome-desktop be renamed to ubuntu-gnome-desktop > > The problem is that we had at least 2 types of users: one type just > wanted GNOME and don't mind some well-considered Ubuntu tweaks and the > other type wanted vanilla GNOME. When releasing 17.10, we were forced > to choose between those 2 types. We decided that the more important > group was the first group and it would be better to get users on the > well-supported path by default. Ubuntu GNOME never offered a 5-year > LTS but users who were upgraded to ubuntu-desktop will get that for > 18.04 LTS. > > The extra gnome-session dependency was to work around the upgrade > issue where the user's existing session was not available. Perhaps a > more advanced upgrade script could have handled this better. > > We had to use a brand new name for the metapackage since the old one > had to be a transitional package depending on ubuntu-desktop. > >> To be as consistent as other packages/tasks (such as >> ubuntu-mate-desktop), if someone installs Ubuntu-server and adds this >> package, should get a clean and full Ubuntu-GNOME. >> Another package as "ubuntu-gnome-core" could be useful too. > > Splitting the vanilla-gnome metapackages has been on our wishlist for > at least 2 years. It just needs people to create them and test them. > >> Please, don't confuse Ubuntu-Unity 8.1 with Ubuntu-Gnome, and take into >> account the main announced principle "mostly pure GNOME desktop >> experience built from the Ubuntu repositories". >> http://ubuntugnome.org/ > > My personal opinion is that we needed the mostly pure GNOME experience > before 17.10 when we were a relatively smaller distro. For years, > there were a lot of GNOME developers and fans who were dismissive of > Ubuntu, saying that it was no way to get a good GNOME experience > because too much stuff was hacked to be different.Ubuntu GNOME proved > that this was wrong if someone would take the time to compare our iso > with the other GNOME distributions. > > Incidentally, the "mostly pure" is important. Our first unofficial > release tried to get a bit too close to pure GNOME by shipping the > GNOME web browser, Abiword, Gnumeric, and a very early version of the > GNOME Software app instead of the Ubuntu Software Center. > > By the way, the Ubuntu GNOME team had plans to provide a custom theme > (something not Adwaita), but never quite finished it. > > I think if you ignore the theme (which we could have added ourselves > as I pointed out), Ubuntu 17.10 is well in keeping with the kind of > thing Ubuntu GNOME might have produced if we had had a few more > developers. The Dock is a very popular feature that is very useful to > both newcomers and experienced users, but you don't have to use it. At > least, that's my personal opinion. > > I am quite happy with how 17.10 turned out and I mostly use a fairly > stock Ubuntu 17.10 now (meaning it looks like Ubuntu 17.10 instead of > Ubuntu GNOME 17.04). > > Thanks, > Jeremy Bicha > -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
