On 03/05/16 17:16, Narcis Garcia wrote: > I imagine Patrik Bubák's mockups are pending of some kind of approval > process? I think Gauruv is coding up the wordpress templates currently, there will of course likely be further tweaks to the menus and content after that is done. > > > El 03/05/16 a les 03:19, Tim ha escrit: >> >> On 03/05/16 01:04, Narcis Garcia wrote: >>> About website, I suggest 2 measures: >>> >>> 1. Better appearance theme >> These are the mock-ups for the new theme (not sure if they are the lastest >> versions but should be close) >> https://www.behance.net/gallery/35183935/ubuntugnomeorg-the-redesign-V2 >>> 2. More menu options. My proposal for menus structure: >>> >>> 1. About/Discover >>> {What is Ubuntu-Gnome, features, license, requirements, screenshots} >>> >>> 2. Install/Download >>> {Downloads, install guides, more resources} >>> >>> 4. Get help/Participate >>> {Documentation, Bugs tracker, Forums, Mailing list} >> Some of those are covered by the mockups, however mostly the content still >> needs to be written, for which we could really use help with! >>> >>> El 02/05/16 a les 16:09, Jasper Backer ha escrit: >>>> On 02-05-16 12:56, Tim wrote: >>>>> Many people over recent times have complained about our communications >>>>> channels. It seems the established staple diet of IRC and Mailing lists, >>>>> that just about every established FOSS teams use doesnt work so well, >>>>> particularly for the newcomers in our community. I am hoping to create a >>>>> UOS[1] session to discuss some of these things, but lets get the >>>>> discussion started before that. >>>> How come other teams can use the traditional methods just fine and we >>>> don't? >>>>> Apparently every time we raise this stuff on the list, it gets taken >>>>> way off topic by trolls and their politics. So let me start with a little >>>>> warning, if anyone tries to derail this thread with proprietry vs FOSS >>>>> politics, I won’t hesitate to ban you from the email list. This is about >>>>> finding solutions that work for improving communications for our users >>>>> and core teams. >>>>> >>>>> The current situation is basically: >>>>> >>>>> IRC – Real time messaging, it is great in that everyone is there (most >>>>> ubuntu/GNOME/debian developers etc), but it can be hard for people that >>>>> aren’t used to it, timezones are a challenge, particularily when you >>>>> cant stay connect 24/7. Also so far no one outside of our development/qa >>>>> areas has really embraced IRC >>>> IMO (unfortunately) IRC is still a main communication tool and somewhat >>>> directly related with being in these (OS/dev/test/etc) circles. >>>>> Mailing Lists – Generally work well if you constantly follow the >>>>> messages, many complain about it being hard to catch up with past >>>>> discussions, >>>>> which I guess is particularily true if you use the web interface. >>>> However, again, this is "classic" to any distro - How come we can't >>>> utilize this properly? >>>>> Launchpad – Bug tracking, it handles tracking individual bugs really >>>>> well, but the shear volume of bugs makes it hard to track/find specific >>>>> bugs. We are not about to move away from that, but we could find >>>>> better ways to tag/track Ubuntu GNOME specific bugs in a centralised >>>>> location. >>>>> >>>>> Wiki – has lots of useful information, but many find it hard to >>>>> navigate. Also generally most people are too scared to try and edit >>>>> it, since >>>>> MoinMoin markup is a bit of a learning curve. >>>> IMO the wiki is a huge non-organized mess. Same would go for the website >>>> which is unprofessional and unclear. Luckily the distro speaks for >>>> itself, but the website and wiki do no good as it lowers the quality >>>> perception on the product. >>>> >>>> >>>> I think we need a better seperation of information between the wiki and >>>> the website. The wiki has loads of useful information on it, but >>>> newcomers find it hard to navigate. The website is really meant to be >>>> the portal for new users, but largely just links to the wiki. Of course we >>>> will try improve this with the new website, once it arrives, but either >>>> way the wiki could use some improvements. I did a little experiment >>>> today pretending to be a new user, and think I got up to about 10 links >>>> without my questions answered (simply what is involved in testing Ubuntu >>>> GNOME)! >>>> >>>> Even I gave up to for example try and translate the release notes as the >>>> path is super unclear. For example for Fedora I wanted to change some >>>> Dutch translations and literally was able to do so in an hour with the >>>> translation being online the next day. >>>>> I think some sort of central hub for planning would be useful, maybe >>>>> that would just be a page that aggregates information from the various >>>>> existing channels or an entire new platform. We are very much lacking >>>>> in the collaborative documentation section and in particular that is >>>>> discoverable. Blueprints cover things to an extent, but not that well. >>>>> Maybe Discourse would work here, though we would need to make sure it >>>>> doesnt get overrun with support/general questions otherwise it seems >>>>> it would be pretty ineffective. We need an easy way for teams to manage >>>>> release planning, TODO lists, track release notes etc >>>> Do the other teams use Discourse? If so, why don't we? More accessible >>>> to everyone than slack imho. >>>>> I have wondered if simplifying the team structures would help, I know >>>>> Ali went to a lot of work to setup all the different sub-teams, and it >>>>> seemed like a great idea at the time, it just hasn’t worked out that >>>>> great. In my opinion, sandboxing users in micro managed teams, limits >>>>> their >>>>> contributions to that niche. We already merged a couple of teams >>>>> recently, however I think we should strip it right back to about 3 teams, >>>>> Technical (dev/qa), community and marketing or something like that. >>>> Would seem like a logical step. Less clutter = more better. >>>> >>>> >>
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