On 13-06-27 12:44 PM, Kees Cook wrote: > Hi Oliver, > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 08:41:51AM -0600, Oliver Ries wrote: >> Our Display Server Mir has gone from a proof of concept, sufficient to >> justify its announcement in March this year, to high quality, high >> performance component that we think will deliver the fastest, cleanest >> display experience for the Ubuntu platform. We are confident that all >> desktop environments and derivatives will work well throughout the >> transition, based on our ability to provide a full X compatibility layer. > > This is great! I'm really looking forward to having a viable windowing > system that isn't hampered by X's limitations. Do you have some pointers > to documentation on the security design work? This is, unsurprisingly > for people that know me, of significant interest to me. Having a clear > way to isolate windows and inputs has been, as I'm sure you know, > a long-time need in X. And maybe we can get scan codes >255 now, too. :)
On of Mir's design goals is to _finally_ get rid of all the inherent security flaws in X, such as event snooping, keyboard and mouse grabs, window grabbing, etc. > >> Here is the roadmap and milestones for the Ubuntu graphics stack transition >> to Mir: >> >> Ubuntu 13.10: >> XMir on Mir by default, with a fallback session to X where there is no Mir >> driver support, supported for 9 months > > While I recognize this is a roadmap, this seems unrealistic to me. I feel > there has been a long history of adopting things as default too early. With > bugs like "vt switching doesn't work", and feature freeze in 2 months, I > think it is way too early to declare something ready for default. Certainly > ship it, make it available, but don't make it the default. Doing so would > just make unwilling testers out Ubuntu users. Let people interested in the > software test it, and once there is a trusted level of stability and > features, make it the default. That's the problem. In order to people to actually use it and test it, it _needs_ to be the default. This needs to be done now so the LTS release will be rock solid. Please don't make me support an LTS for another 5 years with an insecure X. :) Marc. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
