Hi Oli :)
let us focus on the things we have in common. IMO you and I do a good job
in helping users at Ubuntu users mailing list :).
Regarding how often somebody should or should not replace hardware we have
different points of view.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 13:57:14 +0200, Oliver Grawert <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sa, 2016-09-10 at 13:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 12:38:17 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>It is good to recycle, but it's not good the way it is done now, for
still usable gear and by exploiting the poor.
no, it is a matter how and through which organisation you recycle ...
"the way it is done now" totally depends on the way people do their
donation, give your old HW to people that can actually do something
good with it and who will get it in the right hands and you voted with
your feet, very simple.
Indeed it's not wrong in general to give away old hardware.
or you are a gamer that only buys a new graphics card every three years
instead of buying a new console every year ...
I already pointed out that there are exceptional domains, that unlikely
affect most users.
you know that our society isn't like what you dream of here
"I Have a Dream" - Martin Luther King
We can't go on as we did for decades.
if you have three jobs to earn just enough to pay your rent, fill your
fridge and get your kids dressed, where would the money come from to
give them a computer ? are you saying it is better for them to not have
one at all than to re-use older hardware ?
It's not the task of the poor to help the poor.
how much first hand knowledge of recycling do *you* actually have
beyond having read that news article/seen that documentary ? how many
people did you *meet* that could not afford a computer at all and were
overly happy to be able to build their own and take it home ...
I'm using hardware from bulk dump a much myself and I'm using computers as
long as possible. Fortunately I can repair gear myself. However, even I
need to buy some very exclusive and expensive hardware for one domain,
pro-audio. My professional sound card does cost more than my computer, but
I started with second hand pro-sumer audio gear that was very cheap and
nearly as good as the pro device.
yes, there are drawbacks in recycling if you go down to the level of
having people sitting on a trash dump dissolving PCBs with poisonous
liquids etc ... if you don't like that, simply don't do it ... go the
other route, support the recycling organisations that do something with
the hardware ...
+1
how about we stop this thread here, it isn't really ubuntu related any
more ... both our points of view are clear and apparently i cant
convince you of mine and i wont agree with yours, so lets just move on
with life before we go more off topic ...
+1
Anyway, I like to give feedback too others, not only to you ;).
Regards,
Ralf
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