(pardon the top-posting) I think the slight reduction in ethics (relevant mainly to developers) is a good trade to help deployability in the real world. We'll leave sources enabled by default for development releases.
For the other 99% of users, where practicality is more important than immediate access to source, we end up wasting ~10% of Canonical and our mirror's bandwidth on the source updates. This makes a difference when behind a congested network, running on battery or so on. That 10% when accessing security.ubuntu.com really helps, particularly when topologically distant from the UK (if you have good network connectivity, ask someone who hasn't got it). No? On 23 July 2013 13:51, Scott Kitterman <ubu...@kitterman.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:02:00 AM Daniel J Blueman wrote: >> By large, developers are uninterested in this, but it is important for >> users and where we use Ubuntu. >> >> Anyone care to comment on how we can progress this? > > I think most developers would believe the current situation is appropriate. > By default users have the same access to source and binary packages and for a > free software distribution, that is the ethically correct approach. > > Scott K > >> On 15 July 2013 13:32, Daniel J Blueman <dan...@quora.org> wrote: >> > From earlier feedback, there were no overriding reasons why package >> > sources should be enabled by default. >> > >> > We not only save congestion on security.ubuntu.com, but quite a lot of >> > country-level mirrors point to Canonical's servers, which are >> > relatively distant and slow (~80KB/s from here), so this is a win. >> > >> > So, what's the path to change this? >> > >> > On 21 May 2013 22:04, J Fernyhough <j.fernyho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 21 May 2013 13:55, Robie Basak <robie.ba...@canonical.com> wrote: >> >>> What if we provided a reasonable message if no deb-src lines are >> >>> defined, with a single simple command to add them and run "apt-get >> >>> update" for you? >> >> >> >> I don't think it would even need that - software-properties (Software >> >> & Updates) already has the necessary checkbox. All that is needed to >> >> enable sources is to tick that box. >> >> >> >>> From a technical point of view, does mirroring the deb lines into >> >>> deb-src lines work in all cases? Would doing so break anything? >> >> >> >> This is effectively what Software Sources does under-the-hood. >> >> >> >> I have to agree, if the amount being downloaded is not trivial (which >> >> I thought it was) then there's no need to have them enabled by default >> >> when it's very easy to turn them on. One of the first things I do on >> >> any new install is disable those that aren't needed. >> >> >> >> Jonathon >> >> >> >> (to the list this time) >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list >> >> Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss> >> > -- >> > Daniel J Blueman > > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- Daniel J Blueman -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
