Still I will say that this beta is more unstable if we compared to older versions of Ubuntu like 10.10 and 10.04. I guess it is due to some extent by Gnome 3.
-----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-devel-discuss-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of ubuntu-devel-discuss-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:30 PM To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10 Send Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list submissions to ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ubuntu-devel-discuss-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at ubuntu-devel-discuss-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-devel-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. A little care on new commits? (Alexandre Strube) 2. Re: A little care on new commits? (Kyrillos Mossad) 3. Re: A little care on new commits? (Jeremy Bicha) 4. Re: A little care on new commits? (Dan Chen) 5. Re: A little care on new commits? (Alexandre Strube) 6. Re: A little care on new commits? (Dan Chen) 7. Re: A little care on new commits? (Mihamina Rakotomandimby) 8. Re: A little care on new commits? (Mihamina Rakotomandimby) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:34:49 +0200 From: Alexandre Strube <su...@surak.eti.br> To: Ubuntu Devel Discuss <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: A little care on new commits? Message-ID: <caatncywz_58ngqndnbs+ys3m6arumc2cmz67ynzp0jvgdcc...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just that I haven't had an usable desktop for weeks on this latest beta. While I generally agree that some things might break, to have a constant broken state of everything does not help much. A bit more care before committing might help? -- [] Alexandre Strube su...@ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20110809 /2ed2321c/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:44:40 -0400 From: Kyrillos Mossad <kmos...@gmail.com> To: Alexandre Strube <su...@surak.eti.br> Cc: Ubuntu Devel Discuss <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: A little care on new commits? Message-ID: <cals22xxu9_rw_r3cebddbnchax2ufv0g1greb05afxmcp-2...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Realize that you're talking about a BETA, this comes with the territory of trying new things. Beta's are for people to contribute useful information not complain. If you want some nearly bug free then please revert back to a stable version On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Alexandre Strube <su...@surak.eti.br>wrote: > Just that I haven't had an usable desktop for weeks on this latest beta. > While I generally agree that some things might break, to have a > constant broken state of everything does not help much. A bit more > care before committing might help? > > -- > [] > Alexandre Strube > su...@ubuntu.com > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20110809 /beda5333/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:01:10 -0400 From: Jeremy Bicha <jer...@bicha.net> To: Kyrillos Mossad <kmos...@gmail.com> Cc: Ubuntu Devel Discuss <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: A little care on new commits? Message-ID: <caaajcmbv9zvhwiqs40pohvvfan70fstsqtaupus2hvo_pwe...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 9 August 2011 12:44, Kyrillos Mossad <kmos...@gmail.com> wrote: > Realize that you're talking about a BETA, this comes with the > territory of trying new things. Beta's are for people to contribute > useful information not complain. If you want some nearly bug free then > please revert back to a stable version > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Alexandre Strube <su...@surak.eti.br> > wrote: >> >> Just that I haven't had an usable desktop for weeks on this latest beta. >> While I generally agree that some things might break, to have a >> constant broken state of everything does not help much. A bit more >> care before committing might help? Ubuntu 11.10 is not in beta; it's in alpha and it's a big difference. That means that if you need your computer to not be broken, please stick with the stable, tested releases. If you insist on running the development versions, then you should understand that you don't have to accept upgrades that offer to break your computer. There are always transitions that leave the archive in a partially inconsistent state. Please read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1751299 for some more info on how to deal with that. I recommend you reinstall Ubuntu 11.04 and wait until Beta 1 or even better Beta 2 before upgrading. Jeremy ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:08:36 -0400 From: Dan Chen <seven.st...@gmail.com> To: Alexandre Strube <su...@surak.eti.br> Cc: Ubuntu Devel Discuss <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: A little care on new commits? Message-ID: <cabjmplmmxhyc6l9vabvdrdo8m0joqzftsfuf00sirtsy8by...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:34, Alexandre Strube <su...@surak.eti.br> wrote: > Just that I haven't had an usable desktop for weeks on this latest beta. > While I generally agree that some things might break, to have a > constant broken state of everything does not help much. A bit more > care before committing might help? Your email lacks a description of what precisely does not work. It would help the developers if you expanded on those issues, preferably with Launchpad bug reports. Cheers, -Dan ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 19:18:35 +0200 From: Alexandre Strube <su...@surak.eti.br> To: Dan Chen <seven.st...@gmail.com> Cc: Ubuntu Devel Discuss <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: A little care on new commits? Message-ID: <CAATncyz-h9ZLJ3he01=bn6qx+z8f6+yo_bwssntmxl_vgwn...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh I have been doing bug reports when I can. At least 12 from july until today. Problem is, for instance, the one shared more actively on forums than on launchpad, where lightdm just breaks after receiving login credentials, staying with the X server's null cursor right over the VTs. I cannot send the usual apport reports simply because the login process won't allow me to get to it. And by the sheer number of people talking about some of these, they are neither rare and uncommon nor solved quickly. And if it is a bug that happens in several cases - that means the developer just threw an update for the sake of it with little testing. The developer would receive more useful feedback on the real issues if he/she had been more cautious to begin with. That is what I mean with more careful commits. Please, I am not just ranting "OMG MY UBUNTU IS BROKEN" - Far from it. I am a developer too and understand the issues. 2011/8/9 Dan Chen <seven.st...@gmail.com> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:34, Alexandre Strube <su...@surak.eti.br> wrote: > > Just that I haven't had an usable desktop for weeks on this latest beta. > > While I generally agree that some things might break, to have a > > constant broken state of everything does not help much. A bit more > > care before committing might help? > > Your email lacks a description of what precisely does not work. It > would help the developers if you expanded on those issues, preferably > with Launchpad bug reports. > > Cheers, > -Dan > -- [] Alexandre Strube su...@ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20110809 /cf2a5d88/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:24:58 -0400 From: Dan Chen <seven.st...@gmail.com> To: Alexandre Strube <su...@surak.eti.br> Cc: Ubuntu Devel Discuss <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: A little care on new commits? Message-ID: <cabjmplkdukk1_kfbi_0vnelyjvle8_byaij-btwg2jljypb...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 13:18, Alexandre Strube <su...@surak.eti.br> wrote: > And if it is a bug > that happens in several cases - that means the developer just threw an > update for the sake of it with little testing. Since you attest to being a developer, you likely have a good idea that in the realm of "plumbing," particularly drivers, regressions are not immediately obvious. We all can test, test and test, but at some point we each run out of test hardware. Cheers, -Dan ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:49:59 +0300 From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby <miham...@rktmb.org> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: A little care on new commits? Message-ID: <4e421c07.7090...@rktmb.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 08/09/2011 08:18 PM, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Problem is, for instance, the one shared more actively on forums than > on launchpad, where lightdm just breaks after receiving login > credentials, staying with the X server's null cursor right over the VTs. I also encouter that problem on Oneiric. I would like to join you bug "also affects me", what number is it? > I cannot send the usual apport reports simply because the login > process won't allow me to get to it. At the lightDM prompt: Ctrl+Alt+F2 Then login Then "sudo service lightdm stop" Then "starxfce4" (or you environment launcher) You will get to you GUI That LightDM problem is a "big" one... ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:00:22 +0300 From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby <miham...@rktmb.org> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: A little care on new commits? Message-ID: <4e421e76.3070...@rktmb.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 08/09/2011 07:34 PM, Alexandre Strube wrote: > A bit more care before committing might help? Since a long time, Ubuntu has very good virtualization features: - KVM (my favorite) - VirtualBox - .... I suggest you use the last stable version as physical host and virtualize you Alpha/Beta over it. -- RMA. ------------------------------ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss End of Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10 **************************************************** -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
