On Sat, 17 May 2008 02:08:16 +0100 "Fergal Daly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >2008/5/16 Krzysztof Klimonda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Fergal Daly wrote: >>> 2008/5/16 A. Walton : >>> It seems from the paragraph below that there is a way - there just >>> needs to be a flame war to decide which one to twiddle by default for >>> those who don't care, >> >> That's exactly the problem - no matter what decision is made the half >> of the users (those more aware who has used linux for years, who should >> be precious for any distribution as it's them who advocacy for Ubuntu >> and Linux in general) will be pissed off. > >If Ubuntu defaulted to a .gtkrc or .kderc that harmonised these >buttons, the people who would be angry are the people who know how to >fix it already. > >> I guess it is possible to choose button layout and theme based on the >> DE that's active. But it still won't be consistent GUI. The difference >> between KDE and Gnome applications cannot be reduced to the >> different widgets or button layout. Unless KDE and GNOME developers >> agree to create common HIG there is no way to create consistent >> desktop by using K* and G* applications simultaneously. And if >> someone wonder if consistency is worth all the effort look at the >> Mac OS X - people use this system among other things because >> of how does all applications look alike. > >Of course but this particular difference seems to be the most discussed. > >> Also saying that that most people doesn't care about HIG and It >> only matters for developers and fan boys isn't fair. It means that >> what developers does has no real value.. > >That's not what I said. I wasn't talking about the HIG, just talking >one particular bit of it, so please don't make out that I said only >devs and fanboys care about the HIG. > >I do think that the world breaks down into >1 people who will only ever use g... or k... and are thus unaffected by this >2 people who want to use the best tool for the job, of which we have > 2a people who know how to tweak .rc files to make them both the same > 2b people who just want to get on with it and are unable or >unwilling to figure out how to fix it or don't even realise there's a >fixable problem and just think "this linux thing is annoying". > >I think 2b is probably the majority already and is only growing much >faster than the others. > >What is your argument for not working well for 2b by default. > >1 and 2a know how to get what they want and in fact will probably >already have their own .rc files and will probably never even see a >new default setting, > Yes. By switching to Debian.
Seriously, the notion that it's OK to not care about how defaults affect experienced users is totally bogus. I run my Kubuntu desktop with very little customization a really dislike the notion that my preferences don't count because I could turn off some annoying new feature. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
