On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:01 +0000, Philippe Escarbassière wrote: > @Jonathan > > I didn't speak about developers. I'm a developer myself and I try not to > bash other developers and respect their work. But I listen to users > feedback too.
I wasn't picking you out in particular, I'm just hoping to avoid a bunch of "stupid Ubuntu devs" stuff. However, I think it's worth noting that Ubuntu developers do listen a lot to user feedback. The problem is that "listen" doesn't always mean "do whatever a user wants". I've been trying to play it fairly neutral here, but perhaps it's worthwhile to say a few personal things. I was an early vocal critic of notify-osd, Dx team, etc. I had a few "discussions" with mpt on IRC about update-notifier/update-manager specifically. I called up the Ubuntu Community Manager and let him know what I thought and echoed a lot of the general sentiment on this bug report. The conversation was fruitful I think and I was told that much was being done to address the community feedback. In response to a lot of user and developer feedback quite a few changes are planned for Karmic Koala. One of the biggest problems I had with what happened in Jaunty is that notify-osd was landed so late in the development release cycle that very little in the way of corrections or polish could be done. However, Mark and several others felt that it was important to get the work that had been done out to users for testing and feedback. We'll just have to see how it works out. > In this case, even if 221 votes are not a proof (plus other forum posts > and wiki comments), it's clearly an indication this new behavior is not > welcome to everybody. That's why I find this change premature. And some > other constructive comments posted here are very good argument against > it too. Yes, it is clear it isn't welcome by everybody, and unfortunately that is a fairly common occurrence in a project this large with as diverse a user population as we have. We have numerous examples (NetworkManager being one that seems sort of similar) where a consensus can take a very long time to achieve, if ever (there are still "replace NM with wicd" polls on the forums). I honestly think notify-osd was premature for Jaunty and wish it was put off until Karmic as a default. But that decision isn't up to me, and that's probably a good thing :-) There are a lot of good comments on the bug report, which is why I'm trying to direct people towards better places to put those constructive comments. > Now, since it's too late to revert a default gconf value, let's see how > this feature/bug will be accepted by Ubuntu community and, if it's > clearly rejected, let's hope next bug reports like this one will be > taken more seriously. I agree that we'll just have to wait and see, but I do firmly believe that these bug reports *are* taken seriously. I know many of the people involved, mpt, Mark, tedg, pitti, etc. and I can tell you that they very much take constructive comments seriously and are very interested in the user experience. I don't always agree with their decisions/implementations but I'm very confident in their skill and desire to make Ubuntu the best it can be. -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
