Reply from 1 squeaky wheel! first of all I sort of agree about support questions on this list with the following caveat, I would expect to see a question like "has anyone managed to get xyz modem on Optus working in Karmic etc" these are Australian centric & to my mind do have a place on the list. As far as your question about extra curricular activities I will be attending the Hobart & Brizvegas Lucid release parties. Is this my 1st release party? No it will be my 3rd for Brisbane. Also while attending the sage-au meeting last night I gave a shameless plug for the Brisbane release party & also put it on there aust wide mailing list.
My 2c Cary Sorry for the double post Dave but am using user...@work and its very clunky Dave Hall <dave.h...@skwashd.com> wrote .. > Hi all, > > I have been watching as the whole structure and leadership discussions > has come up again. > > I've looked back over the archives for this year. Based on the amount > of energy exerted by people discussing things on this list and IRC about > "what's f'd with the LoCo" they could have organised and run several > real meat space events. > > Frankly I don't care if support questions don't get answered on this > list, they belong on ubuntuforums or a LUG list. This list is for the > discussion of the LoCos activities and building the group. On more than > one occasion I have been tempted to draft a boiler plate response for > support questions. > > I know for some people ubuntu is their first experience with the > free/open source software community. This can lead to some > misunderstandings around how things work in such communities. > > Linus' quote of "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." really sums up how > things work. Actions speak far louder than words in many FOSS > communities, ubuntu included (imo). > > Instead of people blaming others and the organisation structure for why > things aren't working, look at your own contributions. This list is > here to facilitate actions, but most of the time I just see people > finding excuses for why things aren't happening. > > Things probably do need to change in the LoCo, but from what I have seen > so far, the "squeaky wheels" don't inspire me that things will be much > different, other than maybe so more "we should do X" or "why can't we do > Y" threads which just fizzle out due to lack of interest. > > If you want city/state based LoCos and a national structure, great. To > make this happen you need to make things happen in your states. Lucid > is out in ~2 weeks. How many of you are actively organising a release > party in your area in the next 4 weeks? The publicity should all be out > for such events. How many of these release parties have involvement of > the local LUG (for capital cities) or computer regional events? > > When you can show me several well attended regular ubuntu meetups (in > non licensed venues so they are truly inclusive) in several states then > you will convince me that there is a need for city/state/regional LoCos. > Then I will also be convinced that there are people who are committed to > getting out there and doing the work of the LoCo. > > For now I think the "status quo" as some like to call it is all we need. > It copes with lots of discussion and the occasional event. Feel free to > convince me otherwise. > > Cheers > > Dave > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >
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