+1 from me. Get over it 'PEOPLE'.
This argument could go on for days & Months. In the future we may address each other as 'Ubuntu-ites', will that offend anybody ?? (probably yes) You can't please everybody all of the time. What was that task that we were discussing ?? On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Norm, VK3XCI <vk3...@aanet.com.au> wrote: > This is getting tiresome and filling my trash can. Can we just focus on the > task > in hand... whatever that was??? > > > > > > 73 de Norm, VK3XCI > Mildura, Australia > The Wintersun City > QF15bt. > > David Fawcett wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Rand Al Thor > > <randalthor_thedragonreb...@hotmail.com > > <mailto:randalthor_thedragonreb...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > *IMO google "guys", informal way of referring to either sex. > > No offence was intended. If you chose to take offence then that's > > your prerogative.* > > *I don't think things need to be changed because of one persons > > dislike for a particular term. Especially when the majority find it > > acceptable.* > > > > > > Rand this argument is largely indefensible. You can't offend a minority, > > claim that such offense is unavoidable and then claim that such offense > > is acceptable because it doesn't offend the majority. > > > > Melissa was stating that she felt marginalized by the use of the term > > 'guys' when she doesn't identify herself as a 'guy'. It is no different > > to someone saying, 'hey white people' and someone popping up and saying, > > 'could you please not only address white people because I'm not white > > and I participate in this forum too'. > > > > Melissa was also wrong about one point. She stated her political belief > > and said that she did not wish to justify it or discuss it which is a > > bit dubious stand to take and saying this essentially boils her > > political belief down to an ultimatum. By no means is she required > > to justify it but if she wishes the forum to use more > > gender neutral language then it's likely some explanation is required > > before her point is made and the forum changes it's behavior. As it > > turned out that further explanation was forthcoming anyway. > > > > Ok gang, we have two options here. We can either continue to use > > language that makes a member of the forum uncomfortable and feel > > marginalized or you can make a small, simple and minor modification to > > the language we use and make a member of the forum feel welcome and > > included. > > > > There is a third option not available to the rest of us: Melissa can > > accept that the term 'guys' as gender neutral and choose to feel > > included when this term is used. While we can encourage her to change > > her mind about this ethically we can't try to force her to change her > > mind by continuing to use the term. What I mean by this is that the term > > means what it means to her and we should be aware that continuing to use > > it makes her feel alienated regardless of what the term means to the > > majority. > > > > Personally I'm all for inclusion and I would encourage everyone on this > > list to make the small change that Melissa has requested in order to > > make her (and women in general) feel more included. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2760 - Release Date: 03/21/10 > 06:33:00 > > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >
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