On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:15:02AM +0200, François Ozog wrote:
> Le sam. 18 sept. 2021 à 15:18, Tom Rini <tr...@konsulko.com> a écrit :
>
> > On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 03:38:45AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Fri, 10 Sept 2021 at 16:44, Tom Rini <tr...@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 12:09:40AM +0200, Mark Kettenis wrote:
> > > > > > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 17:17:37 -0400
> > > > > > From: Tom Rini <tr...@konsulko.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 11:12:20PM +0200, Mark Kettenis wrote:
> > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:34:20 -0400
> > > > > > > > From: Tom Rini <tr...@konsulko.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:38:17AM +0200, Heinrich Schuchardt
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 9/9/21 10:10 PM, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > At present some of the ideas and techniques behind
> > devicetree in U-Boot
> > > > > > > > > > are assumed, implied or unsaid. Add some documentation to
> > cover how
> > > > > > > > > > devicetree is build, how it can be modified and the rules
> > about using
> > > > > > > > > > the various CONFIG_OF_... options.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Simon Glass <s...@chromium.org>
> > > > > > > > > > Reviewed-by: Marcel Ziswiler <marcel.ziswi...@toradex.com>
> > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Changes in v3:
> > > > > > > > > > - Fix typos linst suppled receive EFL
> > > > > > > > > > - Drop 'and' before 'self-defeating'
> > > > > > > > > > - Reword mention of control of QEMU's devicetree generation
> > > > > > > > > > - Add mention of dropping CONFIG_OF_BOARD
> > > > > > > > > > - Clarify the 'Once this bug is fixed' paragraph a bit
> > > > > > > > > > - Expand ways that CONFIG_OF_PRIOR_STAGE can support the
> > U-Boot devicetree
> > > > > > > > > > - Add a note at the top explaining that his patch covers
> > 'now', not 'future'
> > > > > > > > > > - Add note 'Note: Some boards use a devicetree in U-Boot
> > which does not match'
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Changes in v2:
> > > > > > > > > > - Fix typos per Sean (thank you!) and a few others
> > > > > > > > > > - Add a 'Use of U-Boot /config node' section
> > > > > > > > > > - Drop mention of dm-verity since that actually uses the
> > kernel cmdline
> > > > > > > > > > - Explain that OF_BOARD will still work after these
> > changes (in
> > > > > > > > > > 'Once this bug is fixed...' paragraph)
> > > > > > > > > > - Expand a bit on the reason why the 'Current situation'
> > is bad
> > > > > > > > > > - Clarify in a second place that Linux and U-Boot use the
> > same devicetree
> > > > > > > > > > in 'To be clear, while U-Boot...'
> > > > > > > > > > - Expand on why we should have rules for other projects in
> > > > > > > > > > 'Devicetree in another project'
> > > > > > > > > > - Add a comment as to why devicetree in U-Boot is not 'bad
> > design'
> > > > > > > > > > - Reword 'in-tree U-Boot devicetree' to 'devicetree source
> > in U-Boot'
> > > > > > > > > > - Rewrite 'Devicetree generated on-the-fly in another
> > project' to cover
> > > > > > > > > > points raised on v1
> > > > > > > > > > - Add 'Why does U-Boot have its nodes and properties?'
> > > > > > > > > > - Add 'Why not have two devicetrees?'
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > doc/develop/index.rst | 1 +
> > > > > > > > > > doc/develop/package/devicetree.rst | 583
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > > > > > > doc/develop/package/index.rst | 1 +
> > > > > > > > > > 3 files changed, 585 insertions(+)
> > > > > > > > > > create mode 100644 doc/develop/package/devicetree.rst
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/doc/develop/index.rst b/doc/develop/index.rst
> > > > > > > > > > index 83c929babda..d5ad8f9fe53 100644
> > > > > > > > > > --- a/doc/develop/index.rst
> > > > > > > > > > +++ b/doc/develop/index.rst
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -36,6 +36,7 @@ Packaging
> > > > > > > > > > :maxdepth: 1
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > package/index
> > > > > > > > > > + package/devicetree
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Testing
> > > > > > > > > > -------
> > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/doc/develop/package/devicetree.rst
> > b/doc/develop/package/devicetree.rst
> > > > > > > > > > new file mode 100644
> > > > > > > > > > index 00000000000..b1bd310d906
> > > > > > > > > > --- /dev/null
> > > > > > > > > > +++ b/doc/develop/package/devicetree.rst
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -0,0 +1,583 @@
> > > > > > > > > > +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0+
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +Updating the devicetree
> > > > > > > > > > +=======================
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +Note: This documentation describes how things are today,
> > mostly, with some
> > > > > > > > > > +mention of things that need to be fixed. It is not
> > intended to point the way to
> > > > > > > > > > +what might be done in the future. That should be the
> > subject of discussions on
> > > > > > > > > > +the mailing list.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +U-Boot uses devicetree for runtime configuration and
> > storing required blobs or
> > > > > > > > > > +any other information it needs to operate. It is possible
> > to update the
> > > > > > > > > > +devicetree separately from actually building U-Boot. This
> > provides a good degree
> > > > > > > > > > +of control and flexibility for firmware that uses U-Boot
> > in conjunction with
> > > > > > > > > > +other project.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +There are many reasons why it is useful to modify the
> > devicetree after building
> > > > > > > > > > +it:
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +- Configuration can be changed, e.g. which UART to use
> > > > > > > > > > +- A serial number can be added
> > > > > > > > > > +- Public keys can be added to allow image verification
> > > > > > > > > > +- Console output can be changed (e.g. to select serial or
> > vidconsole)
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +This section describes how to work with devicetree to
> > accomplish your goals.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +See also :doc:`../devicetree/control` for a basic summary
> > of the available
> > > > > > > > > > +features.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +Devicetree source
> > > > > > > > > > +-----------------
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +Every board in U-Boot must include a devicetree
> > sufficient to build and boot
> > > > > > > > > > +that board on suitable hardware (or emulation). This is
> > specified using the
> > > > > > > > > > +`CONFIG DEFAULT_DEVICE_TREE` option.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +Current situation (August 2021)
> > > > > > > > > > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +As an aside, at present U-Boot allows
> > `CONFIG_DEFAULT_DEVICE_TREE` to be empty,
> > > > > > > > > > +e.g. if `CONFIG_OF_BOARD` or `CONFIG_OF_PRIOR_STAGE` are
> > used. This has
> > > > > > > > > > +unfortunately created an enormous amount of confusion and
> > some wasted effort.
> > > > > > > > > > +This was not intended and this bug will be fixed soon.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +Some of the problems created are:
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +- It is not obvious that the devicetree is coming from
> > another project
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +- There is no way to see even a sample devicetree for
> > these platform in U-Boot,
> > > > > > > > > > + so it is hard to know what is going on, e.g. which
> > devices are typically
> > > > > > > > > > + present
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +- The other project may not provide a way to support
> > U-Boot's requirements for
> > > > > > > > > > + devicetree, such as the /config node. Note: On the
> > U-Boot mailing list, this
> > > > > > > > > > + was only discovered after weeks of discussion and
> > confusion
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +- For QEMU specifically, consulting two QEMU source files
> > is required, for which
> > > > > > > > > > + there are no references in U-Boot documentation. The
> > code is generating a
> > > > > > > > > > + devicetree, with some control from command-line args,
> > but it is not clear
> > > > > > > > > > + how to add properties required by U-Boot.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +Specifically on the changes in U-Boot:
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +- `CONFIG_OF_BOARD` was added in rpi_patch_ for Raspberry
> > Pi, which does have
> > > > > > > > > > + an in-tree devicetree, but this feature has since been
> > used for boards that
> > > > > > > > > > + don't
> > > > > > > > > > +- `CONFIG_OF_PRIOR_STAGE` was added in bcm_patch_ as part
> > of a larger Broadcom
> > > > > > > > > > + change with a tag indicating it only affected one
> > board, so the change in
> > > > > > > > > > + behaviour was not noticed at the time. It has since
> > been used by RISC-V qemu
> > > > > > > > > > + boards.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +Note: It is not clear that we actually need both of
> > these. Possibly
> > > > > > > > > > +`CONFIG_OF_BOARD` can be dropped.
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +Once this bug is fixed, CONFIG_OF_BOARD and
> > CONFIG_OF_PRIOR_STAGE will override
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What does "bug" refer to? Above you describe the current
> > design not a bug.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The bug is that we have two options to provide seemingly the
> > same
> > > > > > > > functionality. Is there a functional difference between
> > CONFIG_OF_BOARD
> > > > > > > > and CONFIG_OF_PRIOR_STAGE ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With CONFIG_OF_BOARD there is a function that returns the
> > pointer to
> > > > > > > the DTB, so you can do all sort of things with it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With CONFIG_OF_PRIOR_STAGE there is a variable that you need to
> > set in
> > > > > > > low-level code to point at the DTB and there is a pre-defined
> > function
> > > > > > > that returns that pointer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > CONFIG_OF_BOARD is more flexible than CONFIG_OF_PRIOR_STAGE, but
> > if
> > > > > > > the only thing you want to do is to pass on a DTB that is passed
> > in a
> > > > > > > CPU register to U-Boot then CONFIG_OF_PRIOR_STAGE is probably
> > easier
> > > > > > > to use.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not convinced there is a bug here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for explaining. Couldn't CONFIG_OF_PRIOR_STAGE be
> > rewritten as
> > > > > > an implementation of CONFIG_OF_BOARD, possibly at the same or less
> > > > > > overall code size? That I think is the potential bug.
> > > > >
> > > > > Probably a little bit more code:
> > > > >
> > > > > void *
> > > > > board_fdt_blob_setup(void)
> > > > > {
> > > > > return (void *)(uintptr_t)prior_stage_fdt_address;
> > > > > }
> > > >
> > > > Tiny bit more. Probably worth doing to make the choices clearer on
> > > > which to select when? Bin, Rick, thoughts on this since riscv is the
> > > > main user of CONFIG_OF_PRIOR_STAGE at this point?
> > >
> > > Bin, Rick?
> > >
> > > What is the prior stage in the RISC-V stage? Could we get it to set up
> > > a bloblist? Then we can add a devicetree in there, with the option to
> > > add more things in future.
> >
> > I'm suggesting we don't need to do anything upstream of us, just rework
> > things to use the other hook for "provided a DTB by caller, use it", so
> > that we have a single hook for that.
> >
> > --
> > Tom
>
>
> What was the rationale in posting in kernel.org (
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20211003125134.2.I7733f5a849476e908cc51f0c71b8a594337fbbdf@changeid/
> ) and not in U-Boot knowing there is still no consensus on the big picture ?Well, because we need to get our bindings reviewed and made official, and that looked like a reasonable place and choice to start with? v2 cc'd a different set of lists, at Rob's suggestion. > We agreed you would defer the device tree documentation patch you proposed > because we did not agree on the painted overall picture. So I was surprised > by your post. > I agree standardization of U-Boot bindings is a good thing. > Trustedfirnware.org does it internally and U-Boot can get inspiration from > this. > https://trustedfirmware-a.readthedocs.io/en/latest/components/cot-binding.html Note that your example there should also be reviewed and sent upstream as the problem is less "U-Boot's config binding isn't documented" but more "U-Boot's config binding isn't official". -- Tom
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