https://twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB/status/1004558566173310976
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:22 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Oh I know Ari Fleischer (nowhere near as horrible as Sanders). But >> neither he nor Bush called for Maher to be fired. Which is where the line >> is that should not be crossed. But, as I read the article that had the >> headline “White House Demands Sam B be fired“ posted by Steve (which I >> should have read before I posted about it) I see Sanders did not quite >> cross the line either (though she got closer than Fleischer did). She said >> Turner should show comments like Bee’s would not be condoned”. There are >> lots of ways of doing that without firing her. >> >> When ABC cancelled Maher because of public pressure generated by Bush >> (which they obviously did, even though they denied it) that is weak and >> cowardly on their part, but not an outrage on Bush’s part, unless he >> threatened to directly punish ABC somehow (which I dont believe he did, as >> it was unnecessary at that time). If Turner fires Bee now it will be their >> own weak-ass fault, which is different than if the President formally >> demanded it. >> >> There are some interesting side notes to all of this - is it less >> offensive for a female comic to use that term to slam a female official >> than if a male had one it? (yes, obviously, though that does not make it >> okay even so). Is it worse that the target was the President’s daughter? >> (Yes). Is it okay because she is a Presidential Advisor (less bad than if >> she were a 16 year old girl, but still bad enough). Is that particular word >> so offensive that there is no excuse for ever using it in any context? (I >> don’t think so, but my opinion is probably not one of those that counts the >> most on this one). But regardless of those, never lose sight of the >> fundamental fact that however bad the Bee comment was, it was not even in >> the same neighborhood as Barr’s comment - not even close. >> > > It’s two different things. A racist comment is different than an offensive > joke. > > And Trump, who has uttered more racist and offensive things than any > president since Andrew Jackson (Nixon is a choirboy by comparison) doesn’t > get to take offense. He’s not allowed to take offense if somebody spits in > his face or knees him in the area where his balls would be if he had any. > The White House as an entity can condemn Bee’s words... funny thing is I > don’t see anybody of note supporting them... but this is just what the GOP > wanted. While this pointless conversation is taking place, the first trade > war in a generation has begun, and God only knows what else is slipping > through the cracks. > > >> >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 9:36 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 9:07 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I don’t remember George W Bush demanding that Maher be fired (I mean >>>> that literally - it may have happened, I just don’t remember it) >>>> >>> >>> It happened circuitously... White House mouthpiece Ari Fleischer (like >>> Sarah Sanders but bald... still had the smoky eyes, though) condemned >>> Maher’s show after a guest (not Maher) said the actions of the 9/11 >>> terrorists were many despicable things, but they weren’t cowardly. Pressure >>> directly from the White House led to sponsors pulling out, and ultimately >>> Maher was fired. >>> >>> https://variety.com/2001/tv/features/white-house-keeps- >>> heat-on-abc-s-maher-1117853351/amp/ >>> >>> >>> . >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 8:10 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 8:07 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In the end, they are just so stupid. If Turner had wanted to fire Bee >>>>>> before this it would be their right (though I would have thought an >>>>>> overreaction and pander to the false equivalence). It will be an outrage >>>>>> if >>>>>> they fire her once the chief executive of the US Government demands it. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Happened to Bill Maher after 9/11 and the outrage amounted to nothing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 4:27 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 7:09 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> White House Demands Sam B be fired >>>>>>>> Link >>>>>>>> <https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-demands-tbs-cancel-samantha-bees-show> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When ABC decides to cancel Roseanne it's workplace rules. When the >>>>>>> government wants to have Sam Bee fired it's censorship. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kevin M. 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