On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:07 PM Doug Eastick <[email protected]> wrote:

> tangent topic..... around my city (formed in late 1800's) there are
> churches (say 50-80 years old) that have been closed up and sold.   Very
> weird to see an old church building now an office/store for an Insurance
> Restoration company and other typical commercial vendors.
>
> I have not found a local 22 Jump Street-like church in my city.
>

A few years back This Old House went to California for a project. While
here, they toured a local woodworking shop in LA that operated inside what
was once a church. From the street, it still looked like a church,
including the church’s signage. When asked why, the owner of the shop noted
it was not the best neighborhood, but there are strict laws against
graffiti artists tagging houses of worship, so by leaving it looking like a
church, he doesn’t have to repaint as often as other businesses in the
area.


>
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 5:11 PM Tom Wolper, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 4:27 AM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
> Wow. At first I thought a lava flow had got it (My Hawaiian geography is
>>> vague and I just know that every so often I see more extraordinary footage
>>> of lava).
>>>
>>> If 1933 isn't historic in Hawaii then I wonder what is? You'd struggle
>>> to get planning permission to that in the UK and we have *loads* of
>>> historic buildings!
>>>
>>
>> Robin's Nest was on the island of Oahu and the volcano is on the island
>> of Hawaii (the big island).
>>
>> Getting historic status: there are multiple bodies that grant different
>> forms of historic status, from national historic landmarks, which are
>> decided by the federal government to state and city designations. From the
>> little I know of the process the property owner has to apply for historic
>> designation. If the status is granted the owner or any new owner has to get
>> approval for any external work done to the property in order to maintain
>> its character. So if someone is looking to sell a 1933 mansion they most
>> likely won't look for historic designation as it put a burden on buyers.
>>
>> In older cities religious organizations have a problem with too many
>> churches for dwindling con00-80 gregations. If a congregation can't
>> maintain a church the diocese or presbytery is stuck with a crumbling
>> vacant building that they have to protect and insure. When they announce
>> plans to demolish an old church preservation and community groups may rise
>> to try to protect the building by getting historic status against the
>> wishes of the owner. The preservation groups rarely win.
>>
>
>> In a case like Robin's Nest a group would have to apply for historic
>> status and make a case more compelling than the house was used for some TV
>> shows.
>>
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