As the original reporter, I am a bit unconvinced by this change of perspective in how to fix the issue. I agree that being silent is easier, but does not feel quite the right thing to do for me, at least unless an option or something is added to see which upgrades are in progress and phased back.
- It is untrue that from the user perspective these packages do not exist yet, as suggested. > from their perspective, the packages don't actually exist yet. The packages do exist and can be quite visible to the user. If you `apt install`, it is the most recent version of the packages that gets installed. - It is generally considered bad practice to open bugs without first trying the most recent version of some troublesome software Hiding the phased out packages takes away the opportunity to users who are experiencing problems to try the most recent version before opening a bug. - When neighboring machines start running different versions of the software and the user has the belief that they should be aligned because they use the same distribution, if trouble occurs the user may be lead to wrong conclusions (e.g. inculpate the hardware). Again the user should be able to easily check if there is the opportunity to try the last version of something when that something is giving trouble. - Finally, I am afraid that being non-transparent may lead users to develop non standard hacks to see (and maybe immediately install) the phased out packages. Incidentally, currently `aptitude upgrade` installs the phased out packages. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1988819 Title: When apt keeps back packages due to phased updates, it should say nothing Status in apt package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: After phased updates have been introduced, it may happen that apt upgrade shows packages as upgradable but ends up not upgrading them. In this case the packages are indicated as being "kept back". Unfortunately, the feedback provided about this to the user is not very informative. The user sees the packages being kept back and thinks something is going wrong on the system. When packages are kept back because of phased updates, apt should say so e.g., it should say that the upgrade is delayed. Incidentally note that aptitude does not respect phased updates. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 22.04 Package: apt 2.4.7 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.15.0-47.51-generic 5.15.46 Uname: Linux 5.15.0-47-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu82.1 Architecture: amd64 CasperMD5CheckResult: unknown CurrentDesktop: KDE Date: Tue Sep 6 10:05:14 2022 EcryptfsInUse: Yes InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-02-16 (933 days ago) InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017) SourcePackage: apt UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to jammy on 2022-06-03 (94 days ago) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1988819/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
