Hi again, I think Israel is already using git-hub.
There are scripts to build ToriOS from the Ubuntu mini.iso. So an alternative might be to supply that method (instead of supplying an iso file). This would be a method, that should be free from conflicts with Ubuntu's intellectual property (or at least rather easy to make free). Best regards Nio Den 2016-01-07 kl. 20:50, skrev Samuel Klein: > Nio, > > Good thoughts and questions. > > It might be advantageous to ask in advance; however, this might slow our > development process (and it's already slow since Israel is essentially > the lead programmer and only person looking at the source right now). > > First I think it would be best if we first audit the code for Ubuntu > source. If it becomes difficult removing all of Ubuntu's source, we > should consider A) ask Ubuntu for permission, or B) use Debian. > > I think we should consider re-organizing the source code. Israel should > let us know what is the most current source, and we should keep all > related OS work to whatever repository it is posted to. It might be good > to take advantage of Git's powerful version control features and use Git > rather than Launchpad for the development work. This would also reduce > the inner-circle effect that has burned out our lead developers and > project management by following the social contract of Debian. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Free_Software_Guidelines > > https://github.com/Tori-OS > > We can store the source for ToriOS here, where all members can audit the > code and flag bugs. This gives transparency to the development process > and allows more people to contribute fixes. > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 at 1:38 PM > *From:* "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wikl...@gmail.com> > *To:* "Samuel Klein" <sru...@gmx.com>, Israel <israeld...@gmail.com> > *Cc:* torios@lists.launchpad.net > *Subject:* Re: Ubuntu's IP > Thanks Samuel for the links and your focus on the crucial point :-) > > I think we have to think about what to do: > > 1. Business as usual - if we think Canonical will never consider ToriOS > to be a threat or a nuisance, and just won't bother. After all, ToriOS > focuses on very old hardware, which is completely abandoned by standard > Ubuntu and more or less abandoned also by the other official Ubuntu > flavours. There might be some overlap with Lubuntu. > > 2. When we have a release candidate, ask Canonical for approval - but > what if we get no reply or a negative reply? How can we assess the risk > in this case compared to that of 'business as usual'? > > 3. Switch and base ToriOS on Debian - if we think it would mean a big > step backward, maybe a one year delay, or we might never get it as user > friendly for some applied tasks. > > *. I think we should try to find out which alternative is chosen by some > other small re-spins and big distros based on Ubuntu, for example > > - Bento > - Bodhi > - Linux Mint > - LXLE > > Best regards > Nio > > Den 2016-01-07 kl. 19:34, skrev Samuel Klein: >> Hi Nio, >> >> You can read Matthew Garret's blog about the issue here: >> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/35969.html >> >> "Any redistribution of modified versions of Ubuntu must be approved, >> certified or provided by Canonical if you are going to associate it with >> the Trademarks. Otherwise you must remove and replace the Trademarks and >> will need to recompile the source code to create your own binaries." >> >> Mark Shuttleworth explains here: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/37113.html >> >> sk >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 at 1:12 AM >> *From:* "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wikl...@gmail.com> >> *To:* "Samuel Klein" <sru...@gmx.com> >> *Cc:* Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>, torios@lists.launchpad.net >> *Subject:* Re: [Torios] The History of ToriOS Websites >> Hi Samuel, >> >> This sounds like a very serious problem. Please describe with more >> details in which way you think ToriOS breaks Ubuntu's IP! >> >> -o- >> >> Ubuntu allows people to create re-spins, but under certain conditions. >> See this link >> >> > http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy >> >> Best regards >> Nio >> >> Den 2016-01-07 kl. 06:21, skrev Samuel Klein: >>> Nio -- please realize that at the current stage, ToriOS breaks Ubuntu's >>> IP. And if it's discovered, there may be problems down the line. I'm >>> unsure what sort of problems, but we should consider switching to Debian >>> instead. >>> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2016 at 4:43 PM >>> *From:* "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wikl...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* Israel <israeld...@gmail.com> >>> *Cc:* torios@lists.launchpad.net >>> *Subject:* Re: [Torios] The History of ToriOS Websites >>> Den 2016-01-06 kl. 23:06, skrev Israel: >>>> On 01/06/2016 02:28 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: >>>>> .. >>>> I agree with Nio's assesment. >>>> >>>> We should all try to be very clear with each other, it is often hard to >>>> fully express ourselves via faceless text. :) >>>>> @ all other toriosadores, ToriOS needs input from more people in this >>>>> discussion in order to find a solution that is good enough. Please >>>>> tell us what *you* think :-) Best regards Nio >>>> Hey all, >>>> I am willing to contribute financially as well, I currently do not have >>>> much to add but I think between Nio and I we could split the yearly >>>> cost, until we received more support or others chime in. >>>> >>>> I have been extremely busy recently, and have not had the time to do >>>> much. I have been working on rebasing for trusty, the main issue I face >>>> there is the increased size of the dependencies. Many things now >>>> require things we do not use/want/need, such as NetworkManager. This >>>> requires a lot more dependencies (initial systemd stuff that was >>>> introduced in 14.04) It will take a while to get a decent sized CD out >>>> of this, as OBI requires a tarball... perhaps we could offer a separate >>>> solution where we have a CD image that requires a separate download of >>>> the tarball... though I will continue to look through things and see >>>> where I can cut corners (in size not quality of course). >>>> The best I have gotten so far is around 800MiB This is too much for a >>>> CD, and does not include Seamonkey in any form (live or installed). I >>>> might be able to shirnk it more (removing things like synaptic? >>>> possibly using my battery monitor (very small gtk program) instead of >>>> the XFCE power manager) >>>> I still need to test things more but the space issue is the largest. We >>>> fixed nearly everything with OBI in our previous testing and have made >>>> it much more robust. >>>> I do wish there was a smaller network manager that did not require all >>>> the gnome stuff, and worked as well (including native icon theme >>>> support), but I haven't found one yet. >>>> >>> >>> Hi Israel, >>> >>> I'm glad to share whatever costs are necessary for ToriOS with you :-) >>> >>> -o- >>> >>> Please check carefully if systemd really appears with the Trusty kernel, >>> the 3.13 series, that you get when you start from 14.04 LTS and 14.04.1 >>> LTS. If not, it might be possible to lock booting via init (the old way >>> instead of systemd). I think Lubuntu works well with systemd, but it >>> probably makes things bigger. Julien Lavergne has to strip a lot from >>> the alternate iso files in order to keep them within CD size in Xenial. >>> Lubuntu has given up CD size for the desktop iso files (they are way >>> above 700 Mibibytes nowadays (in Xenial)). >>> >>> 14.04.2 gives you the utopic kernel and 14.04.3 the vivid kernel, and >>> soon we will get 14.04.4 with the wily kernel. Finally 14.04.5 LTS will >>> give us the Xenial kernel. >>> >>> -o- >>> >>> It might be tricky to get a working mini.iso file with the version 14.04 >>> or 14.04.1 and the Trusty kernel. Please try via this link (and tell me >>> if you still can't find such a mini.iso to start from). >>> >>> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/ >>> >>> An alternative might be to start from an Ubuntu Server iso file with the >>> Trusty kernel (but not install any server package). >>> >>> Best regards >>> Nio >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios > <https://launchpad.net/%7Etorios> >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Etorios> >>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Etorios> >>> Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios > <https://launchpad.net/%7Etorios> >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Etorios> >>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Etorios> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
