Hi everybody, [replying inline] Best regards/Nio Den 2014-08-12 22:39, Israel skrev: > On 08/12/2014 02:24 PM, Paul Sutton wrote: >> On 12/08/14 19:34, Ali Linx wrote: >>> Hi dear family, >>> >>> I was about to start a blueprint for this but I thought it is better >>> to bring it here first :) >>> >>> 1- Should we release two images for ToriOS? i386 and amd64? AKA 32bit >>> and 64bit? >>> >>> If the answer of #1 is YES then:
I suggest focus on *one* slim version (i386), at least the first version >>> 2- A side from the architecture differences, what else ToriOS 64bit >>> will be different than ToriOS 32bit? >>> >>> 3- I am thinking to make ToriOS 32bit as slim and minimal as possible >>> with only the very basic apps like File Manager, Browser, Synaptic, >>> Terminal, other very necessary packages and that is all. And, making >>> ToriOS 64: ToriOS 32 + More applications so users can have full >>> working desktop system. >>> >>> Now, here is a catch: >>> >>> If #3 will be agreed on and approved by everyone, you first need to >>> know that this is the opposite of ToriOS philosophy. If we go ahead >>> with #3 then we are simply creating another Lubuntu with different >>> applications. So, we must be very careful with this one - I do NOT >>> want to copy-paste from another system no matter what. >>> >>> 4- If 'torios-desktop' package (meta package) will be implemented >>> successfully then any system based on Ubuntu can install that >>> package. So, do we need here two packages? one for 32bit and one for >>> 64bit? this is valid only of #3 is approved. >>> >>> 5- Are we going to make ToriOS available for everyone? or only those >>> with some skills and experience? if truth to be told, when I first >>> announced the idea of this project, I did not want ToriOS to be for >>> everyone to be honest. Why? because not everyone knows how to build >>> his/her own system by him/her self. However and by time, specially >>> when we built this team, I have asked to offer the best documentations >>> so we could help those with less experience to find out more and learn >>> more and be able to use ToriOS. >>> >>> 6- If we all agree on point #5, you need to know that we do NOT have >>> to release a 64bit version at all. However, if that would happen, >>> those with more than 4GB RAM will not consider ToriOS since it is >>> going to be only 32bit. >>> >>> 7- Since ToriOS is offering a support for Non-PAE machines by default, >>> I found #6 is very logical. But, yes .. there is always but ... again, >>> this mean less people to use ToriOS if desired. >>> >>> >>> You see, everything is connected and inside a loop. If we drop this >>> then that will be affected, and so on. >>> >>> This is very tricky, no doubt about it. >>> >>> To make it even more confusing (sorry), we all know that ToriOS 1.0 is >>> based on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and chances are so high that ToriOS 2.0 is >>> based on Ubuntu 14.04. That said, we don't really have to make 1.0 a >>> system for EVERY user. But then again, if we can, why not? >>> >>> In short, I do highly suggest these criteria: >>> KISS = Keep It Simple and Short >>> Balanced = try to have a balanced system that could draw a smile on >>> most faces. >>> Success = Do not aim for success if you want it, just do what you love >>> and believe in and success will come naturally. >>> Failure = I can't tell you the key to success but key to failure is >>> trying to please everyone. +1 >>> So, these are my 4 main criteria that will help us to decide what is >>> best for everyone WE + Users. >>> >>> I am sorry to confuse you and sorry more to bring such discussion at >>> this stage but the way we have developed is really impressive and that >>> is what is motivating me to expand a bit with our thoughts :) >>> >>> Looking forward to hear your opinion (or read). >>> >>> Regards, >>> >> Ok sent to list, this time sorry >> >> Why not make them both as slim as possible so people can choose what >> they want. My main PC does not have a cd device on at all, so there is >> no point in having software to read or write cd's however all distros >> include this, rather irritating, and takes up disk space. >> >> Lets keep it to our philosophy and keep it as minimal as possible and >> allow users to choose what they want. +1 >> I would prefer Libreoffice over Abi word, the fact Abiword like with cd >> software is there at the start in some distros just causes more work for >> me having to close and re-open. So lets keep it simple >> >> hope this helps >> >> Paul >> >> >> > Hi Paul and all, > > I think the main thing we should do, is make a > torios-core metapackage which installs jwm, and all the simple apps for > the basic use of a computer. This way users that WANT to install > libreoffice instead of abiword, or use vlc instead of whatever... can > install everything they want and customize it fully. > > However, people with old computers MAY NOT have GOOD internet to > download things when they want to. They may need a 'fully functional' > computer from one download, and may not know much about ToriOS, other > than the fact that it can run on their hardware, when nothing else can > (mostly). If the internet connection is bad, it is also bad to download the iso file / image file. Would it be possible to distribute a DVD with packages? Who and how many people would want it? > Since this is based on Ubuntu it will have the largest support from the > non-linux world (though rpm is fairly close as well), and there are > thousands of sites to help users with any number of issues. > > We can also make a > torios-desktop package that installs all the extra stuff. So, when you > are in a chroot (based on Ubuntu) you can add a PPA, and build your > image with just the torios-core. Then you can go back into your chroot > install the desktop package and build a second image with not much extra > effort. > > The 2 barriers I am facing are: > *1)* 12.04 does not want to build my package (I am working on this.. > trying to find out what is different in cmake 2.8.7 versus 2.8.12) > > *2)* OBI has to be run on a real computer with a USB to make the image > (though Nio has said it can run from a certain Virtual Machine program.. > was it VMWare?) The standard OBI boots from USB (normally) but can boot from any mass storage device, also from an internal HDD (or virtual disk). KVM-VirtManager can boot from USB, VirtualBox can boot from a (second) virtual disk. But we can make an OBI-9w installer, which can boot also from CD, so that it can be booted from the iso file by 'any' virtual machine program. > I can build the 14.04 image within a few days, and release an ISO... > however the 12.04 image will take me a bit of time to pick through my > build logs, and read the 2.8.7 documentation to find out what is missing > (or what works differently). Do you need an iso for 12.04, or can it be OK with a compressed image of an installed system, that is installed via the OBI or the OBI-9w? > P.S. anyone who has done this before and wants to help (or has never > done this and wants to help) e-mail me :) > > -- > Regards > > > -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
