On 27 September 2016 at 09:42, Mirimir <miri...@riseup.net> wrote:
> On 09/27/2016 01:39 AM, Alec Muffett wrote:
> > On 27 September 2016 at 06:42, grarpamp <grarp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In such circumstances they are not actually looking at you / what you are
> > searching for. They are looking at the behaviour of all traffic, of
> > everyone and everything else which emanates from that exit node.
>
> Are they even doing that? It's my impression that they're just looking
> up the IP address in some list that includes all Tor exit relays. But
> yes, I get how that's arguably enough, in that all Tor exits will on
> average look alike.
>
Exactly, especially since circuits rotate around exit nodes fairly rapidly.
And eventually someone has to write the code which says "This IP is
emanating bad stuff, but it is currently a Tor node, so just put it on the
naughty step for a few minutes until it calms down, rather than blocking it
for a longer period."
Once someone has done _that_, then the organisation is on the path to
caring about the real people who access the site over Tor, and finding
better solutions.
> I can't imagine any resolution to this. Anonymity is Tor's key goal.
> There are jerks who need anonymity. And there are providers who want to
> exclude jerks. If you want Tor's "anonymity", and you want to evade
> discrimination against Tor users, you need to avoid identification as a
> Tor user. What else?
Exactly. This manifests where folk on Twitter complain that "zomg i'm
using the onion site and it's blocked me!" - when in fact some perhaps code
is running - code that someone took the time to write - to learn/remember
that you are a person who logs-in over Tor, that you really are who you
claim to be, and that this is all "okay".
Otherwise the first time that someone logs-in from a Tor exit node might be
someone using Tor to experiment with your credentials, which they phished
off you via an e-mail, or something. (This is another popular misuse of Tor
from the perspective of the big platforms.)
It is definitely a _tough_ problem.
-a
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