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From: Sean Lynch <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Using SDR
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 20:40:21 +0000
 

> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM coderman <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > On 2/5/16, Sean Lynch <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > ... Radio is being used right now to provide anonymity, but it's being 
> > > used[1]
> > > to hide endpoints similar to the duct-taped payphone trick depicted in
> > > Hackers, in order to avoid attacks like the one used to capture Ross
> > > Ulbricht without giving him a chance to wipe his computer (they snuck up
> > > behind him and pinned his arms, but they would have just rushed him had
> > > that not been possible). If you use a device like the ProxyHam and you sit
> > > somewhere where you can see it, there's a reasonable chance you'd spot
> > > someone who's trying to find you, giving you a chance to hit your panic
> > > button and escape.
> > 
> > this assumes you're keeping it under constant supervision, of course :P
> 
>  
> Indeed. Having a spotter there is probably the best solution.
> 
> Alternatively, if you aren't too clumbsy or forgetful, is to have a some sort 
> of hidden/innocuous band tied to you and to your device (e.g., a laptop) that 
> when pulled too hard (like a grenade pin) starts the wiping process. So if 
> you are jumped/pinned the process starts before the attackers realize it.
>  
> > 
> >  > The older, lower-tech version of this trick is to use a high-gain antenna
> > > like the Cantenna or a Yagi to use a public wifi AP from a stealthy,
> > > defensible location. The problem with this is that this presents no
> > > challenge to RDF (radio direction finding) equipment designed for WiFi.
> > > That's the big advantage of the ProxyHam, since whoever is looking for you
> > > probably won't know in advance what frequency you're using. And solving
> > > that problem in a general way requires MUCH more expensive gear than just
> > > locating WiFi clients.
> > 
> > one of my favorite tricks, but rather rude in spectrum,
> >  is setting high power amplifier to maximum. DF tends to see this
> > signal arriving from all around...  *grin*
> > 
> > this introduces it's own trade-offs, of course.
> 
>  
> This is why you use an attenuator. I wouldn't think law enforcement DF 
> equipment would be fooled by such a thing, since for example FCC will often 
> be looking for people who are outputting too much power, which on the ham 
> bands is going to be multiple kilowatts (I think they've mostly given up on 
> CB except when it starts interfering with licensed users).
>  
> > 
> > > It MAY be possible to use SDR to achieve LPI while still remaining within
> > 
> > if you're building LPI, you don't give a fuck about the FCC (compliance).
> >  by definition, if they've found you, you fucked up!
> > 
> > +1
> > 
> 
>  
> Perhaps, but I'm not about to suggest that anyone break the law.
>  
> > 
> >  > Actually, that gives me an idea: MIMO precoding[2] (versus spatial
> > > multiplexing, which is useless for your purposes). MIMO precoding devolves
> > > to beam-forming in the absence of reflectors like buildings, but in an
> > > urban environment, you get a complex combination of signal paths,
> > >
> > > MIMO precoding requires a "training" phase where they discover one another
> > > by transmitting some easily "locked-onto" signal so that each receiver can
> > > find the other transmitter independently.
> > 
> > it is now possible for a professional's budget to accodomate the SDR
> > equipment necessary to do this type of phase sync'ed active beam
> > forming MIMO transmission, and not all methods require the training
> > phase. in fact, omission of this (by out of band training, in a sense)
> > in a method of "keying" phased delivery of UWB MIMO in a way more
> > likely to achieve LPI.
> > 
> > A related LPI method is to use a separate, well disciplined, carrier 
> > (in-band, co-located or not) that  participant devices listen to and use 
> > the sync their clocks and/or their codes. If used carefully Eve won't know 
> > about it and will find it too difficult to synch in time catch Alice and 
> > Bob's comms.
> > 
> 
>  
> How do you train out of band? By modelling the environment? That's an 
> interesting thought, and I suspect Google Earth has enough data to be able to 
> do it in a lot of places. Are you aware of free or inexpensive software 
> packages for doing this?
>  
> > 
> >  synthetic aperature millimeter wave vision systems are also pushing
> > along this boundary, for cross-pollination of suitable phased sync'ed
> > UWB MIMO signal processing.
> 
>  
> Aren't you just talking phased array for something like this though? Or do 
> you mean using phase information from the receive antennas to reconstruct the 
> environment rather than using phasing at the transmit side to steer your 
> beam? That's a very interesting idea since it can give you a 360 degree view 
> with no need to steer your beam, in the same way that some blind humans can 
> use clicks to get a picture of their entire environment. (I use humans and 
> not bats because I think bat sonar is pretty directional, whereas human ears 
> can localize sound quite precisely without any need to turn one's head.)
> 
> Beam stearing be accomplished much cheaper than via a phased array using 
> nearfield plasmas to block or steer the beam. For example, a vertical cluster 
> of flourescent tubes surrounding a simple dipole can, with proper circuitry, 
> quickly switched so that only one of the tubes is "off" (transparent) at a 
> time allowing incoming/outgoing signasl to only propagate in that direction. 
> The other tubes are "on" and reflect the signals.
>  
> > 
> >  i could go on, if you're curious, but perhaps on another list? :)
> 
>  
> This is definitely an area I'm interested in, so I'd love to hear more of 
> your ideas, as may Jeremy, so if it's beyond what is generally tolerated on 
> this list, private email would be fine, or if you have a list in mind I'd be 
> happy to subscribe if I'm not already. 
> 
> 
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